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Default SAZ-3500D / AQ-3500D Side By Side


Have had a few people ask for a comparison and I happened to get one in for trade -- so here it is.

Not sure if this is factory or from the repair but the AQ also uses Fairchild output parts vs. IRF parts:


* SAZ-3500D is a bit longer and wider


* SAZ-3500D has 20 caps in PS section vs. 16 in the AQ


* Another view of the power supplies in comparison


* Output sections : Output inductors are equal, SAZ-3500D uses 16 outputs vs. 12 in the AQ


* SAZ-3500D Transformers compared to a dollar bill


* AQ-3500D Transformers compared to a dollar bill

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Before anyone starts a fight... I am just offering a comparison of parts counts, sizes, etc. I am not saying anything bad about the AQ product.
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You're amps also cost a little bit more that AQ. I would hope that yours perform slightly better. I wouldn't turn down either amp though.
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Power Test Completed.

I know someone will ask these questions SO READ THIS FIRST :

1) AQ-3500D Tested First - Battery Bank had a charge for several hours from our bench power supplies
2) SAZ-3500D Tested Second - Only a few minutes behind the AQ-3500D Test
3) THIS IS WHY the 3500D had much more voltage drop, I had the entire surface charge gone from the batteries
4) Both amps set wide open to be apples to apples.

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AQ-3500D POWER TEST:
http://www.sundownaudio.com/misc/_AM...D/CIMG2679.MOV

AQ-3500D VOLTAGE TEST:
http://www.sundownaudio.com/misc/_AM...D/CIMG2681.MOV

POWER : 2400 Watts
AMP VOLTAGE (measured) : 71 V
AMP CURRENT (calculated) : 33.8 A
ACTUAL IMPEDANCE (calculated) : 2.1 ohms
SUPPLY VOLTAGE : 14.22 V

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SAZ-3500D POWER TEST:
http://www.sundownaudio.com/misc/_AM...D/CIMG2682.MOV

SAZ-3500D VOLTAGE TEST:
http://www.sundownaudio.com/misc/_AM...D/CIMG2684.MOV

POWER : 3020 Watts
AMP VOLTAGE (measured) : 77.2 V
AMP CURRENT (calculated) : 39.11 A
ACTUAL IMPEDANCE (calculated) : 1.97 ohms
SUPPLY VOLTAGE : 11.99 V

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The power difference measured correlates very well with the parts count difference in the output section.

I have all of the subs out of my Jeep or I'd try them both at 1/2 ohm.

And again - I am not out to trash any products! The AQ amp IS less expensive so it is a great value product.
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Those are some pretty nice amps..
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that seems pretty good seeing that AQ says it will put out 1860 @ 2 ohm i would like to have either amp they are both great amps.
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Awesome info, on two excellent amps!
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No matter how you slice it, those are two seriously underrated amps.
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Ahh i see she arrived safely.
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Holy Crap! Im gunna go open up my amps and see if there is money in them!

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I think the comparison has turned out good, both amps perform to manufacturer spec, ratings and then some, and has answered many questions. i remember buying a punch 225a2 10 plus years ago and it had a birthsheet of 800rms what a little beast pushing 2 punch hx2 15's, my point is the amps compared above are indeed are different and performed well, and in any batch of either of the amps one 3500 may do 3500 one the dot and the next could do 3900 etc. having owned and run the aq 3500d i was blown away with it's size to output ratio and its reliability. I have no exp with sundown yet but come october i will, and expect to own another great product. As for AQ I have nothing but great things to say about the product and even better things to say about DJ and his customer service. I look forward to building the same trust in Jacob and his product, as i will be running both.
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thats a very good comparison. shows what they really do. thanks sundown
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just an fyi dont go read this post at ca.com... it exploded into a huge crap shoot
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I read that thread over there on ca.com and its ridiculous. Im glad that everyone here is bein grown about this. I dont see sundownz bashing Aq in any way i think its great information that we all can use.
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it is very useful information seeing that both amps do rated plus some and i do not see how you could bash on either seeing they are both realy great amps thank you sundownz for showing us this.
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I know this may be asking alot. But Mr. jacob, if its not to much trouble do you think you could compare one of the t3001bd's (fosgate) with one of your saz 3000's? Ive been considering switching brands to be different.
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If I ever get one in on trade I'll see what I can do... have never had that model in.
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well in that case then i guess id just have to send you one of mine. I tried to do my own comparison of sorts but it doesnt really mean much seeing as how i dont know a whole lot about components. But the layout is alot different and to be honest it does have some significant open space on the board
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Lets make a list of amps to compare...........
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Compare against Autotek mm4000.1 Crunch Gp3000 if you have them available.
I have MM4000, i have no idea what it really puts out. And I see a lot of Gp's around
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go to ampguts, thats what its there for.
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Power Test Completed.

I know someone will ask these questions SO READ THIS FIRST :

1) AQ-3500D Tested First - Battery Bank had a charge for several hours from our bench power supplies
2) SAZ-3500D Tested Second - Only a few minutes behind the AQ-3500D Test
3) THIS IS WHY the 3500D had much more voltage drop, I had the entire surface charge gone from the batteries
4) Both amps set wide open to be apples to apples.

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AQ-3500D POWER TEST:
http://www.sundownaudio.com/misc/_AM...D/CIMG2679.MOV

AQ-3500D VOLTAGE TEST:
http://www.sundownaudio.com/misc/_AM...D/CIMG2681.MOV

POWER : 2400 Watts
AMP VOLTAGE (measured) : 71 V
AMP CURRENT (calculated) : 33.8 A
ACTUAL IMPEDANCE (calculated) : 2.1 ohms
SUPPLY VOLTAGE : 14.22 V

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SAZ-3500D POWER TEST:
http://www.sundownaudio.com/misc/_AM...D/CIMG2682.MOV

SAZ-3500D VOLTAGE TEST:
http://www.sundownaudio.com/misc/_AM...D/CIMG2684.MOV

POWER : 3020 Watts
AMP VOLTAGE (measured) : 77.2 V
AMP CURRENT (calculated) : 39.11 A
ACTUAL IMPEDANCE (calculated) : 1.97 ohms
SUPPLY VOLTAGE : 11.99 V

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The power difference measured correlates very well with the parts count difference in the output section.

I have all of the subs out of my Jeep or I'd try them both at 1/2 ohm.

And again - I am not out to trash any products! The AQ amp IS less expensive so it is a great value product.
This means the saz will draw less from my electrical current right?
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cool comparision, deadly amps
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This means the saz will draw less from my electrical current right?
More power = more draw.
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Default Re: SAZ-3500D / AQ-3500D Side By Side

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More power = more draw.
Unless of course one amp is 50% effecient and the other is 80% effecient. Then it's possible for the 80% one to make more wattage on less power than the 50% one.
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