Originally Posted by 3nf0rc3r

ok cool 2 things whats a xxx going to run him down i know they arnt cheep and how much power do u think i should put to it ?

Originally Posted by headshok

Hi Ripteal,

I just played with the Ultimo sub this afternoon. Have one in the showroom.

Between the 2,

my vote goes to the 05 XXX. even my friend ( shop owner ) loves the XXX. but RE is not avaliable here.

there are 4 RE XXXs running around here in Singapore.

my friends all agreed, one good characteristic of the XXX is that,

when its not needed, its as though ur sub is not playing, this it does not interfere with ur front stage, but when u need the lows, this low beast will give u the rumbles effortlessly! but this bugger is a hunger MOFO.

now for the Ultimo.

the Ultimo is more of a " gentlemen's sub", good for people who do not like heavy bass.

2 weeks back, we just did an AB test btw a Morel Ultimo and a 12W7 off 2000 watts ( soundstream tarantula monoblk).

the W7 is a more "solid sub" with bass that has a " fuller body". it feels good. But to certain extent, it does not feel natural. i mean, for example, in Hotel California, when the kick drums came in, the bass was overwhelming. I liked it, but some pple felt it was just too much

for the Ultimo, it was more gentle and more natural, giving the right amout of bass for the right time.

Originally Posted by 3nf0rc3r

ok cool 2 things whats a xxx going to run him down i know they arnt cheep and how much power do u think i should put to it ?

Originally Posted by 3nf0rc3r

ok cool that is more of what we where thinking of doing something that still sounds good but isnt pure sq i like the ST mag and actualy considered on and 500wrms isnt a set figure i will most likely power the sub to its specs as for the dls comps i dont think i have seen them before where could i find some of them ?

Originally Posted by 3nf0rc3r

holy **** this is more than i was planning hahaha but thanks for the awsome info this isnt going to be a comp setup its is more just the fact that its a brand new bmw and he doesnt want the most bumpin system he wants a nice clean system as for custom door pods i dont think i would go that far i was thinking of putting in mb quart pce -216 in the front havent decided on the rears yet as for the deck it will be a top of the line double din most likely because he likes the whole navi system idea is this a smart choice for an sq setup or should i just stick with i single din setup? and you mentioned the tube amps i imagen those are fairly expensive could u get my a pricing on on of those that would match nicely with those mb quarts. as for a subwoofer i am stuck there i am considering the idmax and the jl w6 or 7 but what kind of amp should i go for if i go for the jl sub should i match it with either the 500/1 for the w6 or the 1000/1 for the w7 or get a better amp? and as far as crossover go i dont know how to do that yet but i would like to learn if u got tips or a site that can show me

Originally Posted by 3nf0rc3r

headshok my friend isnt really into sq at all basicly he came to me and said he wanted a setup that would thump but sound really good at the same time and he has lots of money so that isnt really a problem for him he just doesnt want to spend more than needed

Originally Posted by unknownuser200

If u wanted a pure sq setup with no budget lets see

Alpine DVI-9990 Headunit
Alpine PXI-H990 Eq
Rainbow Reference 6.9 components x 2
Arc Audio Se4200
Audio Pulse Lms-Ultra 18"
Arc Audio Se4000

Shall i go on lol

But being realistical id sugguest you listen to headshok

Originally Posted by headshok

yo man

on the topic of the DVD player, alpine's W200/W202 can be hooked up to the 701 via optical or AI net.

this would greatly improve the the tuning functions. sorry for not being specific.

but i mean, most pple here ( i guess) love screens cos they are cool but don know how limited they are in terms of SQ functions. yes its dam cool to be able to watch porn in ur ride ( tried it last time and got lost on the freeway with my friends), but if u want SQ, DVD headunit ALONE is not the way to go.

Personally, i'm running an old sch rockford SQ deck ( RFX 8140) off a H700 processor, 3 way active. enough for me to tune.

Originally Posted by donpisto

x2 on active 2-way, w/no rears. they won't even notice they dont have any rear speakers if you dont tell them. i never tell people i do...but i ask them how do the rear speakers sound? and they reply pretty good, which is when i tell them i have none. But I kinda disagree with the no dvd player thing. In all honesty, with a processor you can do plenty, but if you dont want to go wtih a processor then yes, i would most likely ditch the dvd units. i know my w200 is crap without the proessor. havent installed it yet so all i can do is adjust bass and trebble, how fun huh?

Originally Posted by headshok

In that case for the Xover,

stick to an active setup.

first of, if i remember correctly, the BMW 7 series comes with the I drive and that might be a bitch to bypass cos that sh1t controlls everything.

also, do check, if i remmeber correctly, BMW only has 4" spkrs in the door.

looks like u are lookin for a simple SQ setup.

first off, look how u can install an aftermarket deck into the car.. BMW is a bitch to deal with.

remmeber, don get those fancy DVD headunits. go for something that had tuning functions. easiest is iether a P880 RS or an alpine 9887.

screw the rear spkrs cos sound from the rear will mess up ur front stage.

try your best to get a set of 6.5" into the door so that u have more freqs playin in front.

as for the sub, JL is a pain to power, but they sound is great! get a 500/1 to run a W6 is a nice sealed box and u'll have some nice lows. if price is an issue, get an IDmax and it'll solve ur problems.

remember, run an active front and it'll be easier to tune ur staging.

hope this helps man

Cheers

Originally Posted by donpisto

I was going to suggest using DLS amps, but they may not give you the output you are looking for. I have the A6 and A4 and hooked up that A6 to a TC Sounds underhung 12" driver and it didnt get as loud as it did with a kicker zx 2500.1 (wired at 4 ohms). I'll suggest the Alpine PDX amps. They are tiny and a couple hundred watts underrated (the 1000).

For your deck, well I have always liked Eclipse, but I went with an Alpine W200 because I always have passengers in my car and they like watching music videos and I watch movies while im on lunch if I'm not out with some co-workers. If you do go that route, be sure to use a processor (H701 using optical is what I would recommend).

For your sub stage, it all depends on how loud they want it. That is going to be hard to decipher. Here are a few I would recommend.

http://www.madisound.com/catalog/pro...oducts_id=1485

http://www.madisound.com/catalog/pro...products_id=79

These are pretty nice drivers as well (the MR's - go to mobile audio and its the first on the list under products) http://www.aurasound.com/

Originally Posted by 3nf0rc3r

holy **** this is more than i was planning hahaha but thanks for the awsome info this isnt going to be a comp setup its is more just the fact that its a brand new bmw and he doesnt want the most bumpin system he wants a nice clean system as for custom door pods i dont think i would go that far i was thinking of putting in mb quart pce -216 in the front havent decided on the rears yet as for the deck it will be a top of the line double din most likely because he likes the whole navi system idea is this a smart choice for an sq setup or should i just stick with i single din setup? and you mentioned the tube amps i imagen those are fairly expensive could u get my a pricing on on of those that would match nicely with those mb quarts. as for a subwoofer i am stuck there i am considering the idmax and the jl w6 or 7 but what kind of amp should i go for if i go for the jl sub should i match it with either the 500/1 for the w6 or the 1000/1 for the w7 or get a better amp? and as far as crossover go i dont know how to do that yet but i would like to learn if u got tips or a site that can show me

Originally Posted by galacticmonkey

Theres a long thread with a bunch of SQ stuff that I was really surprised on the prices.

If hes lookin for something to give some volume when need be, yet still sound good, he doesnt need pure SQ equipment.

Get a nice set or two of some d/l/s comps, and a Stereo Integrity Magnum in a nice sealed box. Get a nice HU, run the comps active so you can pick your own crossovers for best sound, a nice amp, and make sure the install is good. Because I guarantee you bargain basement stuff could sound better than a $4,000 system if installed correctly.

The 500rms isnt much for the Magnum but in a decetn sized sealed box you should have more than enough output and wont EVER run into any trouble.

Thinking about it, I know a kid with a new 745. Its got some nice Comps (not sure of the brand) and 4 RF T1 10s in a sealed box firing into the cabin. Its all runnin off some Clarion amps and it sound great. Was surprised since Im usually not a fan of the sound of the T1s.

Originally Posted by headshok

ok,

here's the MOST simple SQ system.

get a GOOD headunit.

lets assume an Alpine 9887 OR a Pioneer P880 RS

these 2 babies can go active and have good tuning options.

next, get a 4 channel amp or 2 2 channel amps.

If u want awesome and good sound, go look at Butler tube amps.. those are dam solid. I deal with them locally, best bang for the buck.
so there u go, u have ur front stage settled.

put 6.5" mids in ur door and tweets on ur dash/ A pillar for better imaging.

if possible build an angled door pod to face ur mid up.

now for the sub, either get a good powered monoblk or a high power 2 channel amplifier.

remember, in SQ, ur sub is not suppose to be heard. its really meant for the low rumbles and extensions. in competition, u get points deducted if ur sub bass is heard coming from the rear. remember, all your sound must be coming from the front.

as for your sub, some suggestions i feel would be a JL W7 ( but this sucker is a single 3 ohm, hard to match), IDmax ( easiest choice), JL W6, RE XXX ( if u have the power for it)

and there u go, remember, KEY IS IN THE TUNING.

u can have all the best sh1t, but if u don know how to tune ur setup, ur f**ked.

Personally, for a good combi, i like pure decks, a Mac deck, an old sch Naka deck or a Denon deck would be good. nice warm sound. Or the panasonic tube deck.

I'll couple this deck with an alpine H701 processor for tuning options and run an active setup.


If you are REALLY SKILLFUL, you will play around with active Xovers until u get the exact points u want ur freqs crossed at and then build my own passive Xover and it might have a smoother sound.

aniway, thats all for now.

have fun!