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04-02-2013 05:39 PM

profundus-sanus

Re: 2012 12" type r vs sundown sa12

the sa will have better thermal power handling as well.

anyone that blows an sa has their amplifier clipping bad.

04-02-2013 04:48 PM

KingPen

Re: 2012 12" type r vs sundown sa12

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Originally Posted by 2kickercvrs

ok in conclusion, 1 600rms sa12 will out do the 2012 1000rms type r wired @ 1ohm on a hifonics brutus 1200

NO! NO! NO!....

"out do" is a subjective statement

what everyone has said here is the SA line is likely a better built woofer with better customer service.

In the same box on that power they will likely perform exactly the same. If there is any difference at all it will be negligible and any perceived difference in sound will be that of the "listening preference" of the user.

04-02-2013 04:39 PM

2kickercvrs

Re: 2012 12" type r vs sundown sa12

ok in conclusion, 1 600rms sa12 will out do the 2012 1000rms type r wired @ 1ohm on a hifonics brutus 1200

04-02-2013 04:26 PM

marrio30

Re: 2012 12" type r vs sundown sa12

Sundown ftw mane. THOSE Oav2 will be out soon.

04-01-2013 07:43 PM

Boosted77

Re: 2012 12" type r vs sundown sa12

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Originally Posted by KingPen

what was wrong with your box if you don't mind me asking?

I missed your question. Sorry mang. Okay, the box was 3.5 ft3 which wasn't so much a problem; it was because I decided to run a huge 8" PVC pipe port. It figured out to be 13.5" sq/ft tuned at 34hz. The sub didn't hit any mean lows or maybe it was because it was in such a large open space. I learned my lesson on that build. I could have used that port on like 4 SA-15's but one was complete overkill.

Couple viddys before and after I painted the enclosure.

Oh oh it's too big, yeah that's what she said:

+ YouTube Video

In this vid at 1:00, I'm changing the x-over on the H/U which is why the sub jumps a few times:

+ YouTube Video

04-01-2013 09:31 AM

southerntrendkill

Re: 2012 12" type r vs sundown sa12

I was the one wit the type x s bonehead lol you think 750 to 800 watts a piece in a sealed box is too much for a 1000 watt rated sub in not quite a cubic ft per.

04-01-2013 08:07 AM

Burkem_10

Re: 2012 12" type r vs sundown sa12

I have ran both a single SA-12 and a single Type-R 12, they both used the same box and amp. The difference was pretty negligible; the SA sounded just as good and the R sounded about as loud. I didn't notice a huge difference between the two.

The type-r is the only 'mainstream' subwoofer I'd recommend to anyone. Still, I would go with the Sundown here because they are bulletproof and it's always good to support a great company like Sundown.

04-01-2013 04:54 AM

cxa0897

Re: 2012 12" type r vs sundown sa12

I abused the hell out of my old type arghs and they took it in stride. if the new subs are genuinely 1k rms, they should be pretty good. the sa wouldn't blow it away, but it is still a slightly better sub, and considerably cheaper, which is a big deal. I would say that sundown has the clear advantage on the cs as well. I.e. Jacob will stand behind the product should anything happen. I have never gone through alpine for a warranty, but I'd suspect its much more difficult than through Jacob.

04-01-2013 01:56 AM

CRYPTICgamer88

Re: 2012 12" type r vs sundown sa12

haha my bed time isnt till about an hour from now.. watching the season finally of walking dead... but see im learning.. i joind this forum a clean slate of knowledge.. slowly learning

04-01-2013 12:19 AM

KingPen

Re: 2012 12" type r vs sundown sa12

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Originally Posted by CRYPTICgamer88

problem about alpine just like most not all but most mainstream brands cap out around or before their rated rms from what i have seen personally... alpine is not like sundown where i believe jacob rates his subs rms on free air.. which a free air rms is way different than an rms rating given to a sub that is put in an enclosure that has a an air suspension in the equation... thats why a sub put in a sealed enclosure way smaller than recommended size will be able to handle a bit more power than rated.. also take into account the size of the enclosure your x's where in.. if it was larger than recommended and where feeding it close to or over rated rms then that's why they went to pieces...

Haha... Go to bed. ... U must have clicked submit 30 seconds before me but we said the same thing.

04-01-2013 12:17 AM

KingPen

Re: 2012 12" type r vs sundown sa12

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Originally Posted by 2kickercvrs

but the 2012 type r is 1000w rms...

Rms between companies often are not the same measurement. There is no scientific method for dedermining the rms of a woofer. One company may say 1000rms in a specific box at a specific impedance. Like 1k In a 1 cu ft sealed box at 4 ohms. Another company may say 1000w but they measure thers free air at .5 ohm (ie sundow). In reality if u put that same sub in a 1 cu ft box with 4 ohm power u may find that it takes 2k rms without any trouble.

04-01-2013 12:16 AM

CRYPTICgamer88

Re: 2012 12" type r vs sundown sa12

03-31-2013 11:32 PM

2kickercvrs

Re: 2012 12" type r vs sundown sa12

but the 2012 type r is 1000w rms...

03-31-2013 09:25 PM

Boosted77

Re: 2012 12" type r vs sundown sa12

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Originally Posted by southerntrendkill

holy

im looking foward to installing my Zs!!!! bout done just need to take amp out and put new box and subs in and wire the amp up wit the new wire..

You should really like those subs. I ran dual-2's so the BC3500 was running 1/2 ohm. Each sub was getting upwards of 2000+ rms and handled it without problem. The amp got hotter than the subs and when I took them out after selling the van, the coils tested out perfect and looked shiny and new. Yeah, you do get what you pay for and I still sold them for $700 on Craigslist a few weeks ago.

03-31-2013 08:36 PM

KingPen

Re: 2012 12" type r vs sundown sa12

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Originally Posted by southerntrendkill

yep they sure did, now the only thing that's left at Alpine is the motors even the basket up is PSI parts now works awesome now really nice up now , the part that sucks is I have over 820 dollars in now.

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Originally Posted by Boosted77

Yeah I've run 3 Sundown subs over the past couple years. SA-15, then 2 Z-3 15's on the Crescendo BC3500. The SA-15 was in the wrong box and was used in an Astro van. I needed three more to really move some air in that van. But the sub sounded great, the box was the culprit as to why it didn't hit real low. The Z's on the other hand had the side windows flapping in and out and the roof flexing so hard; I had a gallon jug of water (filled about a third) jumping 10" off the roof. Those were the best subs I've ever used so far, hands down.

what was wrong with your box if you don't mind me asking?

03-31-2013 07:29 PM

southerntrendkill

Re: 2012 12" type r vs sundown sa12

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Originally Posted by Boosted77

holy

im looking foward to installing my Zs!!!! bout done just need to take amp out and put new box and subs in and wire the amp up wit the new wire..

03-31-2013 07:24 PM

Boosted77

Re: 2012 12" type r vs sundown sa12

03-31-2013 07:07 PM

CRYPTICgamer88

Re: 2012 12" type r vs sundown sa12

i have never liked alpine subs.. never have and never will... just not my taste... and id put my money on sundown or alpine any day of the week...

03-31-2013 07:00 PM

southerntrendkill

Re: 2012 12" type r vs sundown sa12

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Originally Posted by Boosted77

Jeez, the X's did it like that? This is why I look to the farthest reaches of the earth for new quip. Good bad and ugly...just lookin.

03-31-2013 05:31 PM

Boosted77

Re: 2012 12" type r vs sundown sa12

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Originally Posted by southerntrendkill

I have two type xs that lasted maybe a month started rubbing coming apart
doing all kinds of crap wasn't even my fault they said it PSi.

Jeez, the X's did it like that? This is why I look to the farthest reaches of the earth for new quip. Good bad and ugly...just lookin.

03-31-2013 12:02 PM

southerntrendkill

Re: 2012 12" type r vs sundown sa12

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Originally Posted by 97_eldo

what about the sundowns allows them to perform better? vc, suspension?
what would be the cause of the alpines giving up before the sundown, thermal or mechanical?
just some questions to help fill this empty space between my ears

all the above eldo Alpine subs are to me now days made like s*** I have two type xs that lasted maybe a month started rubbing coming apart
doing all kinds of crap wasn't even my fault they said it PSi.

03-31-2013 08:45 AM

KingPen

Re: 2012 12" type r vs sundown sa12

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Originally Posted by 97_eldo

I would say its a bit of everything but I don't build subs so I can't say with certainty that its any one piece or another. Either way I've done some nasty things to sundown subs and they seems to hold together well. I've seen others do worse. Watched a guy goofing off at one of our shop nights with his SA8v2's on an ns1 at .5 ohm

I don't know if there still alive now but he was doing a 48 on them and they didn't die that night. I'm sure they wouldn't take it daily but I was still blown away.

03-31-2013 08:29 AM

97_eldo

Re: 2012 12" type r vs sundown sa12

03-31-2013 08:16 AM

KingPen

Re: 2012 12" type r vs sundown sa12

With all things like which is louder, sounds better etc aside, I would take the sa's just because they can take a ton of abuse and will keep going. A local friend has a single sa-12. On one of our shop nights he gave us the thumbs up to blow the sub. After putting it on my BC5500 for 20 min we put the sub back in his car. I didn't have the power to blow it lol but I bet i can toast that type R in 20 seconds

03-31-2013 07:53 AM

49konvict

Re: 2012 12" type r vs sundown sa12

Is this two type rs vs one sa or two sa's. If one sa I'd go the type rs. If two sa's the sa's would murder the type rs

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