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what would be better at a 1ohm hifonics 1200 amp
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this is just a guess but i would think most would say the sundown

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I personally have only heard a 10" type R but that compared to one 10" sundown I wyou have to go with the Sundown.
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Sundown fo sho.
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the sa for sure.
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Default Re: 2012 12" type r vs sundown sa12

Is this two type rs vs one sa or two sa's. If one sa I'd go the type rs. If two sa's the sa's would murder the type rs
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Default Re: 2012 12" type r vs sundown sa12

With all things like which is louder, sounds better etc aside, I would take the sa's just because they can take a ton of abuse and will keep going. A local friend has a single sa-12. On one of our shop nights he gave us the thumbs up to blow the sub. After putting it on my BC5500 for 20 min we put the sub back in his car. I didn't have the power to blow it lol but I bet i can toast that type R in 20 seconds
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what about the sundowns allows them to perform better? vc, suspension?
what would be the cause of the alpines giving up before the sundown, thermal or mechanical?
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what about the sundowns allows them to perform better? vc, suspension?
what would be the cause of the alpines giving up before the sundown, thermal or mechanical?
just some questions to help fill this empty space between my ears
I would say its a bit of everything but I don't build subs so I can't say with certainty that its any one piece or another. Either way I've done some nasty things to sundown subs and they seems to hold together well. I've seen others do worse. Watched a guy goofing off at one of our shop nights with his SA8v2's on an ns1 at .5 ohm I don't know if there still alive now but he was doing a 48 on them and they didn't die that night. I'm sure they wouldn't take it daily but I was still blown away.
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what about the sundowns allows them to perform better? vc, suspension?
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just some questions to help fill this empty space between my ears
all the above eldo Alpine subs are to me now days made like s*** I have two type xs that lasted maybe a month started rubbing coming apart
doing all kinds of crap wasn't even my fault they said it PSi.
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Jeez, the X's did it like that? This is why I look to the farthest reaches of the earth for new quip. Good bad and ugly...just lookin.
yep they sure did, now the only thing that's left at Alpine is the motors even the basket up is PSI parts now works awesome now really nice up now , the part that sucks is I have over 820 dollars in now.
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i have never liked alpine subs.. never have and never will... just not my taste... and id put my money on sundown or alpine any day of the week...
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Yeah I've run 3 Sundown subs over the past couple years. SA-15, then 2 Z-3 15's on the Crescendo BC3500. The SA-15 was in the wrong box and was used in an Astro van. I needed three more to really move some air in that van. But the sub sounded great, the box was the culprit as to why it didn't hit real low. The Z's on the other hand had the side windows flapping in and out and the roof flexing so hard; I had a gallon jug of water (filled about a third) jumping 10" off the roof. Those were the best subs I've ever used so far, hands down.
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Yeah I've run 3 Sundown subs over the past couple years. SA-15, then 2 Z-3 15's on the Crescendo BC3500. The SA-15 was in the wrong box and was used in an Astro van. I needed three more to really move some air in that van. But the sub sounded great, the box was the culprit as to why it didn't hit real low. The Z's on the other hand had the side windows flapping in and out and the roof flexing so hard; I had a gallon jug of water (filled about a third) jumping 10" off the roof. Those were the best subs I've ever used so far, hands down.
holy im looking foward to installing my Zs!!!! bout done just need to take amp out and put new box and subs in and wire the amp up wit the new wire..
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Yeah I've run 3 Sundown subs over the past couple years. SA-15, then 2 Z-3 15's on the Crescendo BC3500. The SA-15 was in the wrong box and was used in an Astro van. I needed three more to really move some air in that van. But the sub sounded great, the box was the culprit as to why it didn't hit real low. The Z's on the other hand had the side windows flapping in and out and the roof flexing so hard; I had a gallon jug of water (filled about a third) jumping 10" off the roof. Those were the best subs I've ever used so far, hands down.
what was wrong with your box if you don't mind me asking?
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holy im looking foward to installing my Zs!!!! bout done just need to take amp out and put new box and subs in and wire the amp up wit the new wire..
You should really like those subs. I ran dual-2's so the BC3500 was running 1/2 ohm. Each sub was getting upwards of 2000+ rms and handled it without problem. The amp got hotter than the subs and when I took them out after selling the van, the coils tested out perfect and looked shiny and new. Yeah, you do get what you pay for and I still sold them for $700 on Craigslist a few weeks ago.
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but the 2012 type r is 1000w rms...
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problem about alpine just like most not all but most mainstream brands cap out around or before their rated rms from what i have seen personally... alpine is not like sundown where i believe jacob rates his subs rms on free air.. which a free air rms is way different than an rms rating given to a sub that is put in an enclosure that has a an air suspension in the equation... thats why a sub put in a sealed enclosure way smaller than recommended size will be able to handle a bit more power than rated.. also take into account the size of the enclosure your x's where in.. if it was larger than recommended and where feeding it close to or over rated rms then that's why they went to pieces...
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but the 2012 type r is 1000w rms...
Rms between companies often are not the same measurement. There is no scientific method for dedermining the rms of a woofer. One company may say 1000rms in a specific box at a specific impedance. Like 1k In a 1 cu ft sealed box at 4 ohms. Another company may say 1000w but they measure thers free air at .5 ohm (ie sundow). In reality if u put that same sub in a 1 cu ft box with 4 ohm power u may find that it takes 2k rms without any trouble.
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problem about alpine just like most not all but most mainstream brands cap out around or before their rated rms from what i have seen personally... alpine is not like sundown where i believe jacob rates his subs rms on free air.. which a free air rms is way different than an rms rating given to a sub that is put in an enclosure that has a an air suspension in the equation... thats why a sub put in a sealed enclosure way smaller than recommended size will be able to handle a bit more power than rated.. also take into account the size of the enclosure your x's where in.. if it was larger than recommended and where feeding it close to or over rated rms then that's why they went to pieces...
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I abused the hell out of my old type arghs and they took it in stride. if the new subs are genuinely 1k rms, they should be pretty good. the sa wouldn't blow it away, but it is still a slightly better sub, and considerably cheaper, which is a big deal. I would say that sundown has the clear advantage on the cs as well. I.e. Jacob will stand behind the product should anything happen. I have never gone through alpine for a warranty, but I'd suspect its much more difficult than through Jacob.
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I have ran both a single SA-12 and a single Type-R 12, they both used the same box and amp. The difference was pretty negligible; the SA sounded just as good and the R sounded about as loud. I didn't notice a huge difference between the two.

The type-r is the only 'mainstream' subwoofer I'd recommend to anyone. Still, I would go with the Sundown here because they are bulletproof and it's always good to support a great company like Sundown.
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