ok i have a turbo of of a ford probe gt. i want a diesel and cant get one for a few years so i was just thinking of putting the turbo on my landrover but i dont want to run it off the exhaust b/c it will most likely be temporary...lol and i also have a stock intercooler for a eclipse gsx that i am going to put on as well. my question is what kind of motor could i use to Power the turbo? my idea is to dissassemble the compressor housing, remove the compressor wheel and fit some sort of pully or sproket on the shaft, and fabricate a braket to bolt to the bolt hole that held the compressor housing and fit an elecric motor with a sproket or pully on there (to the side) and im still thinking of a way to curculate the oil... does anyone know what rpm the shaft of the turbo spins at on say a t3/t4 turbo at ? rpm? or to generate 6-7lbs of boost. i know this is a retarded idea. so plz no thread dumping... i just want to see what happens and see i i gain any low end toruq and that sexy wistle lol.
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turbo is designed to run off hot air from your exhaust..a electric motor will not turn enough rpm's (and if did would have to be one nasty electric motor)to get proper boost,would also have to have variable electric motor control to work with throttle and rpm timing and such...
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if you have a local performance shop around swing by and see what all would be needed and possible gains out of adding the turbo. It's gonna be pricey since you cant just "throw it on" things need to be fabricated and you will need a new tune to have the vehicle run properly
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Well, if you're thinking about seperating the compressor and attaching a pulley to it, you'd essentially be turning it into a a centrifugal supercharger. I'm not sure how well it'd work, but if that's your plan, just run it off your serpentine belt. As for turbo's, they work best on high revving engines where they can Build boost quickly. If you've got a landrover and you want to do F.I., then sell the turbo system and buy yourself a procharger.
Edit: Turbo's don't provide much in low end torque; very large turbo's can sometimes even reduce low end torque. A supercharger is what you need if you want low end torque.
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See I don't want to spend much money and I'm not planning on getting the computer remapped if I do this and it works decent then ill get the ecm, fuel pump, and injectors off of a junked super charged range rover. I was thinking bout getting the supercharger off of a range rover and bolting it on cause I know that would work but even used ones are EXPENSIVE!
You're gonna have to upgrade your injectors and fuel pump and get a tune. The last thing you want is to be running lean because you were to cheap to do it right.
Lean fuel mixture = bye bye engine
You'll need to have the pulley fabbed (i have no idea how big it should be). Talk to a local machine shop, they should be able to help you out. Make sure your mounting bracket is welded on well and that you've got a good solid wrap around the pulley with at least a 6 rib belt.
Also, let me stress that if you do this, there's a very good chance that it:
A.)won't work very well
B.)won't work at all
C.)will make your engine run worse
D.)will damage your engine
The only surefire way to do this is and have it work is to spend the extra money for a real supercharger. I seriously reccomend you look into a procharger (aka centrifugal supercharger). They bolt on anywhere on your belt and just feed right into the throttle body. There's no intakes to replace, clearances to worry about, or any of those other problems and expenses that comes with a roots style super.
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If you do do this, and it works, don't be a dumbass and try to run 15# boost on a stock engine. I have a friend that grenaded his engine doing that.
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I believe what you're looking for is a supercharger.
And of course its expensive, but the initial cost is just the tip of the iceberg. It's no different from Car audio, sure the sub might be $200 but add in the amp, box, all the wiring, head deck if needed and that $200 turned into $900 very quickly.
Either save up to do it the right way get a cheaper hobby.
I would not recommend taking apart the turbo, iv ruined a few doing that. If you want something not to run off the exhaust go buy a supercharger. If you have the stock v8 in your Rover (depending on year) they are quit underpowered. I'm doing a diesel conversion on my Range Rover right now.
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And another thing (depending on year) the land rover 3.9-4.2 v8s are very fragile and sensitive aluminum blocks. Doing more then necessary to them will result in bad things.
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I just want to add that looking for low end horse power and doing a turbo dont go in the same sentence. The engine must build enough exhaust pressure to spin the turbo to make boost, in other words, if your motor doesnt rev very fast, and doesnt turn 6 grand, i wouldnt bother with the turbo. another thing, in ANY forced injection system, you HAVE to remap the computer, and add to the fuel delivery, which could mean fuel pump, injectors, fuel rail, or whatevers on the suvs.. putting on a turbo and not adding some fuel to the mixture is like building a box for your current sub, that is 3-4 times the size of the current box, which as u know, will kill any kind of output and possibly damage equipment. so my question is now, y do u want to make the land rover (or whatever it is) fast? i mean, if u wanna make a vehicle fast, use a vehicle that is more common to upgrades. like chevys 5.3 that has been used for years, in numerous models. and you can look up about a million people slappin turbos on more common vehicles. i totally respect your creativity to modify a more unpopularly modded vehicle. but i dont think your motor will hold 2-3 pounds for very long. your talkin about a significant increase in compression, and exhaust output. which means your talkin about more expensive gas, shorty headers, a good flowing exhaust, your talkin about an expensive little project.. and every motor ive ever built, turned out to be about 1k more than i intended to spend. you cant think about every single part your gonna need until you do it, and on a vehicle like yours, idk what all your gonna need. but thats just my opinion
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Well, if you're thinking about seperating the compressor and attaching a pulley to it, you'd essentially be turning it into a a centrifugal supercharger. I'm not sure how well it'd work, but if that's your plan, just run it off your serpentine belt. As for turbo's, they work best on high revving engines where they can build boost quickly. If you've got a landrover and you want to do F.I., then sell the turbo system and buy yourself a procharger.
Edit: Turbo's don't provide much in low end torque; very large turbo's can sometimes even reduce low end torque. A supercharger is what you need if you want low end torque.
this is true if your working with 4clys, but his land rover engine is twice as big as his probe engine im sure. All that extra exhaust should spool the turbo fine without hitting 4krpm
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I would not recommend taking apart the turbo, iv ruined a few doing that. If you want something not to run off the exhaust go buy a supercharger. If you have the stock v8 in your Rover (depending on year) they are quit underpowered. I'm doing a diesel conversion on my Range Rover right now.
yea im thinking about dropping a cummins 4bt in it. what are you doing a land rover tdi?
also it was just an idea because i had it laying around. but thanks for all the input and replys, i guess ill try putting an electric motor on it and put it on a 5hp briggs to put on a yard kart just to have something to tinker with when the mood strikes. as far as my land rover my options are now when its time for a new motor to rebuild my original motor (first and best choice imo) 2nd- do a cummins 4bt swap 3rd drop a chevy 350 in it.
Wow...............I am now replacing this as the dumbest thread i have ever seen...
Ok so you found a TURBO off a junk car...... yea there are THOUSANDS of those crappy little turbos all over, that is by far NOT the hardest part of a turbo setup to both buy and fit..."by the way that is a TURD of a Turbo"
Tuning, Piping, Fuel, ect....... Thats where you will run up against a brick wall....
My car was built factory with a turbo, JUST to go one turbo LARGER on a already turbo car it ran me 1k in supporting mods, FUEL Management, Larger WG, Ect...
and the turbo i bought for $350......AGAIN this is a FACTORY turbo car....
and I went from boosting 18 lbs to 22 lbs... thats it....
Turbo a Rover great idea...
Half ass turbo Rover ....FAIL>>>>>
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I just want to add that looking for low end horse power and doing a turbo dont go in the same sentence. The engine must build enough exhaust pressure to spin the turbo to make boost, in other words, if your motor doesnt rev very fast, and doesnt turn 6 grand, i wouldnt bother with the turbo. another thing, in ANY forced injection system, you HAVE to remap the computer, and add to the fuel delivery, which could mean fuel pump, injectors, fuel rail, or whatevers on the suvs.. putting on a turbo and not adding some fuel to the mixture is like building a box for your current sub, that is 3-4 times the size of the current box, which as u know, will kill any kind of output and possibly damage equipment. so my question is now, y do u want to make the land rover (or whatever it is) fast? i mean, if u wanna make a vehicle fast, use a vehicle that is more common to upgrades. like chevys 5.3 that has been used for years, in numerous models. and you can look up about a million people slappin turbos on more common vehicles. i totally respect your creativity to modify a more unpopularly modded vehicle. but i dont think your motor will hold 2-3 pounds for very long. your talkin about a significant increase in compression, and exhaust output. which means your talkin about more expensive gas, shorty headers, a good flowing exhaust, your talkin about an expensive little project.. and every motor ive ever built, turned out to be about 1k more than i intended to spend. you cant think about every single part your gonna need until you do it, and on a vehicle like yours, idk what all your gonna need. but thats just my opinion
Huh really. I guess them dumb engineers bolt'n turbos on diesels that red line at 3k and making 1200 ft-lbs @ 2300 rpm have been doing it all wrong. You don't need a high reving engine to make low end power with a turbo. Also alot of cars/truck can handle up to 6-9 pounds of boost with little to no mods to fuel or computer. Now saying a superhcarger will be better I agree on the simple fact it would be . But to cut this short buy a honda with a d series engine and turbo it. There way cheaper and if you blow it up. Oh well swap it.
Wow...............I am now replacing this as the dumbest thread i have ever seen...
Ok so you found a TURBO off a junk car...... yea there are THOUSANDS of those crappy little turbos all over, that is by far NOT the hardest part of a turbo setup to both buy and fit..."by the way that is a TURD of a Turbo"
Tuning, Piping, Fuel, ect....... Thats where you will run up against a brick wall....
My car was built factory with a turbo, JUST to go one turbo LARGER on a already turbo car it ran me 1k in supporting mods, FUEL Management, Larger WG, Ect...
and the turbo i bought for $350......AGAIN this is a FACTORY turbo car....
and I went from boosting 18 lbs to 22 lbs... thats it....
Turbo a Rover great idea...
Half ass turbo Rover ....FAIL>>>>>
lol why dont u thrash me a lil more..? it was jus an idea, and i was just going to try it out to see what happens. it was never by anymeans going to be permanent! and i said in a later post that i know its a extreamly stupid idea and then went on to say i wasnt going to even attempt it and when my motor goes, im planning on rebuilding it, or doing a diesel swap since a kit is avaliable and a cummins 4bt would be wayyyyy more reliable than my current 3.9.
your gonna waste to much money trying to get it to work its not worth it by a nos system and have fun till you blow your engine then do you swap
Agree. I dont know much about souping up cars n all, but my brother was going to just go with NOS and wait on the turbo since he said he had to do a ton of other upgrades to go along with it. So far he was just getting the limited slip or whatever it was called for the transmission, direct port injection for the NOS, got some new rods and pistons, and now he has to tear the b16 (i believe that is what is in his 99 honda civic si) and get it bored so the new pistons fit.
I am no car buff, but i just listen in is all. sorry if im wrong on any of this.
but back on track, go with NOS till the motor smokes! lol.
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