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So I recently just picked up two RE XXX 18's both Dual 2 ohms. They are being ran by an Audiopipe Ap30001d. I have stock alternator, big 3 w/ 0g, all other Wire is zero gauge and an extra stinger spv44 battery. When I play songs with louder bass when I turn it up I can see the protect light on the amp turn red then back to green everytime the song switches to a higher/lower note. What's causing this? I've double checked my wiring and nothing is loose. My amp is grounded to a different part of the Car then my battery is. My gain is about 35-40% of the way up.

I have a couple of solutions to maybe solve this:

1. I'm going to eventually re wire my subs to each channel of the amp since its 1500 at 1 ohm for 2 channels. I will be doing this with 8 gauge wire.
2. I might go towards getting a bigger extra battery if its a voltage problem.

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from what i hear those amps are very Power hungry......id suggest a HO alt and another battery to stablize the voltage and suport the amps amperage draw....that amp full tilt will pulls like a true 5krms amp or more....just depends on how effecient it is
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I was definitely looking into the other battery part. I only have so much money at a time though. I was thinking of rewiring both subs individually with 8g to 1 channel each. And then I was going to pick up a Stinger SPP1200 battery. Can I use both my stinger spv44 and my spp1200 when I get it?
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First off, how do you have the subs wired? A stock alt is NOWHERE near enough power for that amp. I'm very surprised it hasn't blown yet. With that much power you should have a dedicated ground wire running up to your front battery.
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How are your subs wired exactly? Those amps will go into protect if they're wired at to low of an ohm load.

A stock alt is not going to be enough for that wattage and 2 batteries and adding another batt is only going to shorten the life of the alt even further than what you have shortened it already. Take a DMM and measure voltage at the amp when you try to turn it up. My guess is that your probably dropping voltage pretty hard. An HO alt is going to be a much better investment than another batt will be (and is required for what your trying to run). Stock alts are only meant to charge the electrical system that the vehicle came from the factory with. If you keep pushing like that you will kill it. It's not a question of if you will, it's when.

A few names of HO alt manufuacturers that I have heard are reputable are: Mechman, Excessive Amperage and DC Power (little more expensive but really good alts).

Also when you say your gain is 35 - 40% of the way up does that mean you turned the knob that far or is it set for 40% of rated output?
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I've had people on here tell me I should have enough power. I mean ive got a yellow top, stinger battery, big 3 and all my wiring is 0g. I'm checking the wiring when I get home. As for the gain, it's turned up 35% on the amp.
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depending on how strong the stock alt is you could technically get away with 400-500 Ah of batts but an HO alt is definately in order for that setup... that amp will draw 450 amps of current...full tilt..2 - 300 ah of batts and at least 250 amps of allt is the minimum I would do...
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I've had people on here tell me I should have enough power. I mean ive got a yellow top, stinger battery, big 3 and all my wiring is 0g. I'm checking the wiring when I get home. As for the gain, it's turned up 35% on the amp.
As Sic said those amps are power hungry. Batts are good but unless you have a good charge going to them they drain quickly and then your back at square one. So yes, your close on batts, but no, you don't have the charging system to back those batts up. The 0 ga and big three is a plus but it won't solve your electrical problems. And from the sounds of it (and I'm not calling you dumb or anything) your not very familier with setting gains? Might want to read up on it if your not because you can cause damage that way to.
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Yes I set my gain when I had my BTL in there. I'm going to do that soon. What would I put in the equation if I'm running 2 seperate channels at 1 ohm?
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Yes, my xxx's are dual 2 ohm, so I have them wired seperately going into their own channel at 1 ohm. Would I benefit more from getting a HO alternator which is around 600 bucks from what I'm seeing, or should I sell my ap30001d and spend that 600-700 on a new amp?
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Just grab you an HO alt and you'll be fine. There's better quality amps out there but you already have one that will do rated. I'm not a fan of them but a lot of people are.
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Alright. As far as the alternator goes, are they really 600 bucks?!?! That's all I've seen. If anyone can help me out here as far as looking for some that'd be nice. I've got a Jeep Commander with a 4.7L V8 for the specifications. I've looked at Mechman, DC Power and Excessive Amperage and they all seem to be around 600 dollars.
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Man there's people that make em cheaper but they don't seem to last long. HO alts are a little pricey. I have 2 DC Power 270XP's but only have one on the truck right now because I'm waiting on my bracket to fit the second one on and I can say that they are really strong alts. I run an SAZ4500 and with only one alt on I don't drop below 14V.
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As far as a quick fix goes, I don't really have the money yet for a new alternator, but am I going to see any improvement electrically if I wire the subs together at 2 ohms instead of running 2 seperate 1 ohm channels?
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Depends. If you run the amp @ 2 ohms bridged then your still running 1 ohm final so there will be no change. If you run 2 channels @ 2 ohms each then you will be pushing less power therefore consuming less input current and you will see a noticeable difference in your voltage drop. Depending on whether or not this was your original problem it might not stop you from going into protect though. Did you ever even test your voltage drop?
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You definately need more power. Upgrade your alternator
and get a couple of good batteries. Your problem is current
and voltage related. Just need more power to sum it up.
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