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it doesnt carry as much current and it has to be bigger than true Gauge to be worth anything
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You need a bigger gauge cca to run if you would run the same size copper. for example, you'd need almost 2/0 cca for the same current as a true copper 1/0.
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I asked Shok if he had a test showing the difference in current flow capabilities but did not receive an answer. Does anyone know of a site where a test has been performed? We should all rally to have one performed by Shok (the vendor on this forum) so we can have an idea of exactly what the difference is.
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CCA WIRE
PHYSICAL PROPERTIES:
Specification

Copper in mass %

Copper in volume

length comparison

Density % (g/cm3)

Max. DC resistivity Ω.mm2/
/m(200c)

Min. conductivity (% IACS)

CCA-10% Copper Volume

27

8~<13

2.65:1

3.32

0.02743

63

CCA-15% Copper Volume

37

13-17

2.45:1

3.63

0.02676

65

Copper Wire

100

100

1:1

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Audio manufacturers around the globe are waging an unseen battle. Most people have no idea that the war is going on, much less who is winning. You see, a significant percentage of the cost of the important]electronics and loudspeakers we enjoy and, in particular the wiring that interconnects them, is linked to the price of copper.

Since 2004, the price of raw copper has more than doubled and manufacturers have been fighting to keep the cost of products low, as one must do in a highly competitive marketplace. Although the price of raw copper has a direct affect on amplifiers (PCBs have copper traces and copper windings in transformers) and loudspeakers (most voice coils are copper), no category of Car audio has been as directly affected as cable and wire. You may have noticed that a quality "amp kit" that used to sell for $49.95 a few years ago is now $99.95 or more. This increase is directly attributable to the amount of copper in those products and the rising cost of the raw material.




In an effort to reduce "sticker shock" for those shopping for amp kits, several companies began producing a different kind of wire as a more cost-conscious alternative. The new wire isn't really new; it was used occasionally in past automotive applications. But high prices make for innovation and now we have "Copper-Clad Aluminum" (CCA) wire that costs about half the price of pure copper cables. While this can be a great alternative to expensive copper, it can also lead to problems if misapplied and its limitations aren't fully understood. Here is how to find out if it's right for your system.

Description
CCA wire is an aluminum wire or many strands of aluminum wire coated with a very thin layer of copper. In practice, the "copper-clad" part of the nomenclature is mainly there to assuage potential buyers' doubts, as the amount of copper used is inconsequential to the actual performance.

The construction and gauge sizes of CCA wire are the same as copper wire. The strand size and count can differ just like various qualities of copper wire, as will the flexibility of the conductor. The insulating material is the same PVC or silicone-based material found on copper wire.

The big difference between pure copper wire and CCA wire is resistance. If you look up the conductivity of common metals used as electrical conductors, some facts might surprise you.

The best metal for conducting electricity isn't gold, as many believe. The absolute best conductor is pure silver. The second best is copper, with a very good conductivity at 97.6 percent that of silver. This is the main reason that copper has been the most popular material for an electrical conductor—it's a fraction of the cost of silver with almost equal performance. Gold ranks third, with 76.6 percent the performance rating of silver (the real benefit to gold is its ability to resist corrosion and oxidization). Aluminum, however, is a distant fourth at the 63 percent mark, or about two-thirds the conductivity of copper. Stated another way, and when we include the tiny bit of copper applied, CCA cable has about 34 percent greater resistance than a pure copper cable of the same gauge and construction. Let's take a look at what that additional resistance can mean in the real world or car audio.

If you're reading CA&E, you probably already know that resistance in a conductor causes a loss of Power in that conductor, in terms of voltage and/or current. It also can become a source of heat if the resistance and amount of power delivered are high enough.

A quick Ohm's law refresher reminds us that E*I = P or, for those not familiar with the symbols, voltage multiplied by current equals power. So if we want to maximize the ability of our amplifier to make power, we need to maximize the voltage and current that supplies it. Any amount of resistance in the conductor delivering that voltage and current becomes a limiting factor to maximum power delivery.

It's not essential to go into the mathematics here. The point is that for optimum performance with a given supply voltage and a known current delivery requirement, we can calculate how much resistance in the conducting cable is acceptable. Since most of us have been taught the general rule of thumb for selecting wire gauge in systems of various power levels using pure copper cables, it's very important to rethink those requirements when using a less effective conductor, like the CCA cable. While some of you already have your mental light bulb coming on, for those of you new to CCA cable, I provided some additional data to explain what goes on from a technical perspective.

Lab Measurements
As we discussed earlier, additional resistance will increase the heating in the conductor and decrease the amount of power delivered. Let's look at safety first and examine the heat developed in the cables.

Why is the heating important? In most vehicles a portion of this conductor must "live" in the vehicle's engine compartment. Vehicle underhood temperatures here in Arizona often exceed 180F. The insulating jacket on most cables is only rated at 105C, or about 221F. That doesn't leave much of a safety margin for internally developed heat and, in extreme cases, can lead to softened or even melted insulation on the conductor.

They say a picture is worth a thousand words. Here at Cogent Audio Labs, we're fortunate enough to have a special camera that allows us to photograph heat. In the accompanying photos (see below) you'll see radiometric images of three different cables, all sold as 4-gauge and measured under identical test conditions.




A pure copper cable and a CCA cable were measured and proved to be "full-spec" 4-gauge as determined by the American Wire Gauge chart. The second pure copper cable is sold as 4-gauge but is about 10 percent under spec in strand count and diameter. It's also less expensive than the full-spec copper, so that may be an indication for the buyer to pay attention.

Each cable was exactly 20' in length and the heating test involved passing 100A of current through it for a 30-minute duration. This is a severe condition but not impossible to duplicate in large systems. The ambient temperature and the start temp of each cable was 76F (see measurements below).




Conclusion
At this point you might be thinking that CCA wire is bad and shouldn't be used, but that's not the case. We've done extensive testing on CCA wire for several manufacturers and our results show that it can work very well for all but the highest current applications. Because of the additional resistance you simply can't substitute the same gauge CCA wire for the traditional gauge copper wire. Our strong recommendation would be to simply use one gauge larger size of the CCA cable than the copper cable.

That being said, if you compensate for the increased resistance in the CCA cable by going to the next larger gauge size, you'll probably end up with equal or maybe even less resistance than the smaller gauge pure copper. But along with an increase in cable size comes an increase in price. This could mean little difference in bottom line prices between comparable copper and a +1-gauge in CCA, so be aware of what you're buying
. —Garry Springgay

Garry Springgay is the owner of Cogent Audio Labs, and a former contributing tech editor for Car Audio and Electronics magazine.
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Nice freakin post Sic. So you can lose 150 watts on just an 1800 watt setup. Wow I would hate to see what a 5-10K setup would lose on this wire. That is IF the wire actually held up.
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That's why you need to go a wire size up. Problem is, you'd need 2/0 for a traditional 1/0, and you'd need adapters to fit into your amp.
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exactly...
also because of the nature of aluminum it can rot inside the sheath and you never know til it is too late...


i use to be an electrician remember.... I have personally seen some goofy ish with aluminum wiring that would blow ur minds...

I will never use or promote it in high current apps...
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exactly...
also because of the nature of aluminum it can rot inside the sheath and you never know til it is too late...


i use to be an electrician remember.... I have personally seen some goofy ish with aluminum wiring that would blow ur minds...

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Yup, i totally forgot all about that. If you don't have a good connection, or if it hits moisture, it'll rot.
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yup any humidity and fumar.... up in smoke man...
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exactly...
also because of the nature of aluminum it can rot inside the sheath and you never know til it is too late...

i use to be an electrician remember.... I have personally seen some goofy ish with aluminum wiring that would blow ur minds...

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I came in here to mention this! I've seen it more than once in all kind of wire preps (solder ends, crimped ends, heat shrunk, etc.). I think when you overload aluminum wire it begins to break down, something copper doesn't really do. Another thing I've seen with CCA wire a lot more than OFC is melted fuse holders, I can't say for sure this is the wires fault, but I have one experience where a fuse holder kept failing until I replaced the leader line with some OFC which mysteriously cured the problem (same fuse holder I kept repairing it). Now it could have been a loose connection etc., but my neighbors both melted fuse holders in CCA wiring kits.
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Excess heat would do that, especially if not running the correct size wire.
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I actually think it's a two fold problem, one being the wire is generally running hotter, and the other being that the CCA wire oxidizes faster and loses more connectivity causing resistance in the fuse holder. I've never undersized these particular wires. In my old Blazer I once had a strand of OFC 10 gauge running a pair of Cadence TXA3002's for a total of 100amps of draw! WAY over what it should have been taking but that wire and fuse holder held up for the couple weeks I had it in there (it was in the truck when I got it just took a while to re wire it).
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really sic u shoulda told me that
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