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i had 5 hc16v's in my explorer with an external regulator set to 19.2 cold per eric harbour @ kinetik and every single one of them swole up.

my hc2400 didn't swell up but my d3100 walked all over as far as performance goes.
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i had 5 hc16v's in my explorer with an external regulator set to 19.2 cold per eric harbour @ kinetik and every single one of them swole up.

my hc2400 didn't swell up but my d3100 walked all over as far as performance goes.
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I'm not trying to say the kinetiks are junk. It's just nowhere near the price to performance that they advertise. If they were honest with their ratings, they would be about on par with the competitors. It bothers me that they lead you to believe you are getting something that you really aren't, and that's plenty of reason to have an issue with them
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i had 5 hc16v's in my explorer with an external regulator set to 19.2 cold per eric harbour @ kinetik and every single one of them swole up.

my hc2400 didn't swell up but my d3100 walked all over as far as performance goes.
I know their 16v had issues, but I've seen every CA batt maker with 16v batts have issues, even xs power. Kinetik shouldn't have done the 3 post thing imo. 19.2 is over charging lol.

An xs d3100 isn't a fair comparison to a hc2400. The hc3800 would be much more comparable to the d3100
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I know their 16v had issues, but I've seen every CA batt maker with 16v batts have issues, even xs power. Kinetik shouldn't have done the 3 post thing imo. 19.2 is over charging lol.

An xs d3100 isn't a fair comparison to a hc2400. The hc3800 would be much more comparable to the d3100
19.2 is not over charging at all. its the EXACT same as charging a 12v batt at 14.4v(2.4v per cell)

the d3100 outperforms the 3800 as well. we had a truck that burped a consistent 53.5 ever since he got his 5 3800's and burped a 54.0 with no other changes when he swapped to 5 d3100's.

edit: also i know PLENTY of people that charge their xs d1600's at 20v + with 0 problems, i have NEVER seen an xs Power 16v battery have a problem.
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thats a whole lotta money you throwin around in batteries......for that money i could get 4 or 5 or 6 ngtextreme from carquest that are 75ah each
which ones are you talking about??
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19.2 is not over charging at all. its the EXACT same as charging a 12v batt at 14.4v(2.4v per cell)

the d3100 outperforms the 3800 as well. we had a truck that burped a consistent 53.5 ever since he got his 5 3800's and burped a 54.0 with no other changes when he swapped to 5 d3100's.

edit: also i know PLENTY of people that charge their xs d1600's at 20v + with 0 problems, i have NEVER seen an xs Power 16v battery have a problem.
I was always under the impression that its easier to over charge 16v batteries. A local guy was running the d1600s, 5 iirc, charging was 20.1, he had to replace all 5 in less than a year, one even split at the seem, 2 flat out died.

A local shops comp Car ran stinger 16v batts, and they kept having issues with those and went back to 12v setup.

I wasn't saying the 3800 was better than the 3100 just more comparable, if I had my choice I'd take the d3100.
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link is no good huron, 115 ah seems very high though, unless it costs a ton of money....
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Oh strange. Its $139.99, 115aH, deep cycle marine battery with 900mca. But it is not AGM.
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This March my Kinetiks will be 8 years old and so far outliving my truck
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I am using a totally different brand. Check into them if ya like. Been running them for 3 years now with 0 issues.
http://www.vmaxchargetank.com/
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A swelled battery of any type is overcharged. Using an improper charger or a faulty charger or allowing an alternator/alternators charge low batteries too often or allowing the alternator to charge a sulfated battery/batteries can all lead to overcharging.
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A swelled battery of any type is overcharged. Using an improper charger or a faulty charger or allowing an alternator/alternators charge low batteries too often or allowing the alternator to charge a sulfated battery/batteries can all lead to overcharging.
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hc16v's WILL swell if you charge on the 16v side and have any significant draw off the 12v side. i've seen it happen tons of times, yet never seen it happen when the 12v post is left alone.
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A lot of interesting info here.
RE_XXX has been running his HC16V's for a while now with no problems. As I recall, he isn't using the 12v side though. The 12v side is still ran together with a bus bar, but that's it. I think he's charging in the 19.2v range, too.
Kinetik gave him a far better deal on his batteries than XS Power would. Quite literally two to one.
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Hmm.. Still doesnt really answer my question as to whether or not the non AGM marine battery would be any good...
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Hmm.. Still doesnt really answer my question as to whether or not the non AGM marine battery would be any good...
If you are going to try it out only get 1. I try to stay away from no name products. I run shuriken, I have amazing results, and I only recommend xs power, shuriken or north star.

Kinetik is over rated and not worth the money.

More important than the quality of the battery is the warranty... I have 3 year warranties on my shurikens. Something to think about.
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hc16v's WILL swell if you charge on the 16v side and have any significant draw off the 12v side. i've seen it happen tons of times, yet never seen it happen when the 12v post is left alone.
Totally not false, the first 6 cells provide the 12v while still being part of the 16v. The first 6 cells working double duty on a large 12v load will drain them down then the alternator overcharges it.
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Totally not false, the first 6 cells provide the 12v while still being part of the 16v. The first 6 cells working double duty on a large 12v load will drain them down then the alternator overcharges it.
I don't think you full understand When there is a big draw on the 12 volt post the alternator will try to compensate but since there is no load on the last 2 cells they will over charge. And cause swelling.
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Big draw as in overload the 12v side which is part of the 16v (first 6 work double duty) = over charge. When using them as a group use as 1 bank not placing one under the hood then a bunch in the back.
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Big draw as in overload the 12v side which is part of the 16v (first 6 work double duty) = over charge. When using them as a group use as 1 bank not placing one under the hood then a bunch in the back.
I am pretty sure you are just repeating what has already been said and we don't actually have different opinions about "overcharging".
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XS Power D3100 v/s Competition Group 31 Load Test - YouTube

Actually if you want to compare batteries of the same physical size, then the D3100 and Kinetik 2400 are the both group 31 batteries. The Kinetik 3800 is larger, but the D3100 still out powers it side by side.

The issue with three post AGM batteries is the fact that the cells can not balance out. They are always fighting each other. They also can not put out the voltage quickly. The D1600 out performs 2 of the Kinetik 16v batteries in a head to head test.
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Totally not false, the first 6 cells provide the 12v while still being part of the 16v. The first 6 cells working double duty on a large 12v load will drain them down then the alternator overcharges it.

okay, so its just a horrible design then... got it.
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Kinetik has sold thousands of these dual voltage batteries, many are using both voltages and are working perfectly fine. Anyone who has problems or issues can call Kinetik and they will help you.
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