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I fully agree with you. He is correct in his statement. But as I stated your changing the characteristics of the run. More surface area will always win out in this case
Yep based on my calculations for the characteristics to be similar its a 1:1.59 ratio copper:aluminium. Meaning aluminium can be used as a copper substitution of you provide 59% more aluminium. At audio grade ofc prices the aluminium may have a slight edge, when compared to the welding Wire or battery wire from these other sites there is no real edge and I'd rather have the fewer runs.
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Yep based on my calculations for the characteristics to be similar its a 1:1.59 ratio copper:aluminium. Meaning aluminium can be used as a copper substitution of you provide 59% more aluminium. At audio grade ofc prices the aluminium may have a slight edge, when compared to the welding wire or battery wire from these other sites there is no real edge and I'd rather have the fewer runs.
Yep. Completely agree
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Here is the link to my thread.

http://forum.realmofexcursion.com/ac...l-dummies.html

By no means is it a bible for electrical and by no means am I a person with a PHD in car audio electrical but feel this is a great thread showing the differences between OFC and CCA. There are times to look at using one or the other and when not to use.

I suggest, highly suggest reading it. As long as the other stickies as they all have great information in them
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CCA is not all aluminum. That listed welding lead, looks like a low strand count like the one in the OP. Same thing applies to what I said before.

Kicker is probably my favorite wire too. Super flexible and tightly wrapped unlike a lot of wire now days. Knu is great, but it's pretty loose in the Jacket.

I've used welding lead one time. I won't do it again.
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Ohhh come on. Not even a valid statement there. Of course its true, its true in every aspect, but your changing the characteristics of the run of wire.

That two runs of CCA can be classified as one run of 2/0
please explain how its invalid?

I'm quite curious. 2 runs of cca is the same price(or less with some companies) than 1 run of ofc. Seems like a fair comparison.

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CCA is not all aluminum.
correct. its usually copper coated(@ around 10% total makeup being copper) which provides it with a better contact than bare aluminum, as well as making it a more efficient conductor than bare aluminum.

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Yep based on my calculations for the characteristics to be similar its a 1:1.59 ratio copper:aluminium. Meaning aluminium can be used as a copper substitution of you provide 59% more aluminium. At audio grade ofc prices the aluminium may have a slight edge, when compared to the welding wire or battery wire from these other sites there is no real edge and I'd rather have the fewer runs.
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the national electric code rates the conductivity of pure copper wire @ 25% better than copper clad aluminum.

not sure where your info was sourced.
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CCA is not all aluminum. That listed welding lead, looks like a low strand count like the one in the OP. Same thing applies to what I said before.

Kicker is probably my favorite wire too. Super flexible and tightly wrapped unlike a lot of wire now days. Knu is great, but it's pretty loose in the Jacket.

I've used welding lead one time. I won't do it again.
CCA isn't all Aluminum, that's correct, its a mix of aluminum and copper making it as Pro stated a better conductor then plain Aluminum. (depending on manufacture its usually between 10-20% copper mix)

Its still less efficient then OFC.
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Its still less efficient then OFC.
i just want to point out, nobody has argued that point one time in this entire thread. I've also made several statements proving thats true even.
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please explain how its invalid?

I'm quite curious. 2 runs of cca is the same price(or less with some companies) than 1 run of ofc. Seems like a fair comparison.

As I stated in the second sentence its completely a true statement. Jumped the gun didn't edit.

Ya its fair when looking at price ALONE...


I can't speak for everyone around me. But when running 10K+. I see OFC most used as with this amount of power the inefficiency of CCA IS noticeable.


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i just want to point out, nobody has argued that point one time in this entire thread. I've also made several statements proving thats true even.
As have I

Anyway not to derail the thread more then I have
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Might change your mind about using cca

Wire comparison with thermal camera feat. Garry Springgay at Cogent Audio Labs - YouTube

Welding wire is not hard to work with.. kyle is just being a puss

Welding wire all the way man. and a properly done ofc electrical system should never corrode...
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Might change your mind about using cca

Wire comparison with thermal camera feat. Garry Springgay at Cogent Audio Labs - YouTube

Welding wire is not hard to work with.. kyle is just being a puss

Welding wire all the way man. and a properly done ofc electrical system should never corrode...
yea that guy is running about 10x more current than should ever be ran through that wire.

if you hit the point where the wire can barely handle the current it will heat. the more heat will increase resistance, therfor causing more heat. if he would have ran a normal amount of current(20a or so) you would have saw a marginal temp difference at best.
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yea that guy is running about 10x more current than should ever be ran through that wire.
so? The difference is still pretty noteworthy.

EDIT: I think the difference would still be as big. I would just take longer to achieve that heat.

EDIT: EDIT: where does he say in the video how much current is being drawn?
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the national electric code rates the conductivity of pure copper wire @ 25% better than copper clad aluminum.

not sure where your info was sourced.
I did the math. Happy to break it all down for you if you would like.

On 10% copper 90% alu it would be a 1:1.43 ratio
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Kind of funny, the thread was really welding wire vs high dollar ofc.

I think everyone jumped on this because the way Pro worded things it sounded like he was saying CCA is a good alternative to OFC. The rest of us I think agree but wanted to point out that its not as cost effective as it looks on the surface. All in all I think everyone gets the point though.
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Kind of funny, the thread was really welding wire vs high dollar ofc.

I think everyone jumped on this because the way Pro worded things it sounded like he was saying CCA is a good alternative to OFC. The rest of us I think agree but wanted to point out that its not as cost effective as it looks on the surface. All in all I think everyone gets the point though.
I don't.. Go ofc or go home lol
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I don't.. Go ofc or go home lol
Haha well it's an easy choice for me because I'd rather have 6 runs then 9
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i have never been a fan of aluminum, removed alot out of homes....won't touch the stuff
if they want to keep the old i don't work on it.....simple
what is your estimated current draw gonna be?
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A lot lol. There will be up to 320 from the alt to the rear. So 2 1/0 runs should suffice. When starting it will be about 800 from rear to front. No starting battery. 2 2/0 will be plenty. Could get by with 1/0 but the 2/0 is cheap
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Not as a suggestion for you to use but do you think this is much better than CCA? Not price wise just the claimed ampacity on it is the same as the OFC from them.

AudioTechnix 30% OFC instead of 10-20% and 11.5mm outside diameter --> 415 sq mm

AudioTechnix OFC 10.2mm ouside diameter --> 325 sq mm
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see the direct comparison between those two is probably pretty close. Without doing the math I would say the high copper content + the added diameter would make the cca only 10% +/- capable as the ofc. That doesn't mean you can't get thicker ofc for less $ though.
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were the cost the same or removed as a factor copper is a better conductor.
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i went with the wire you posted in the 1st post...fills the 1/0 connectors perfectly..i used 2 100ft rolls though.....same place sells it for 220shipped for a 100ft roll.
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where did you find that?
A local company called AeroGas. It is a welding supply store. They had everything from 8G up to 0000 and it went into inch sizes from there to 3.5" thick. I don't know if the inch rating is the proper way to do it but apparently everything above 0000 they make in house.
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waste your money on ofc then. I'm only using ofc on my amps.
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