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Who makes the best 1/0 Power cable. and how many runs from alt to batts should i run for saz4500d.
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My favorite is kicker hyperflex, but ive used knuknoceptz fleks cable and its pretty damn good for the price.
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Welding Wire tbqh.
4 runs positive, 4 negative.
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Kicker hyper flex is easy to work with and it is silver tinned. Which is more conductive than copper.
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Kicker Hyperflex is also my favorite, money not an issue.

But when you're doing multiple runs, or running it under the Car or what not I'll just use copper welding wire. For the price you can get more runs, and more power.

Areas where I'd use the Kicker wire would be little jumpers from distro blocks to batteries or amps, or small runs that need to be flexible or look pretty.
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Man around here I am pretty sure that Kicker 1/0 is cheaper than 1/0 welding cable....

I think 1 run of 1/0 is plenty.... If you do the math it is MORE than plenty. But I know some of these SPL guys swear they gained like .2-3db from adding more runs of 1/0 cable to their batteries and amps... doesn't make sense mathematically and I wonder if it has more to do with them not cleaning their contacts at the ends of the cables and cleaning the battery posts every now and then more than it does adding more wire (with new clean contacts, see what I am getting at??? I am sure the smart ones here do....)

IMO 1/0 in 1 run is plenty for a SAZ-4500D.
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Man around here I am pretty sure that Kicker 1/0 is cheaper than 1/0 welding cable....

I think 1 run of 1/0 is plenty.... If you do the math it is MORE than plenty. But I know some of these SPL guys swear they gained like .2-3db from adding more runs of 1/0 cable to their batteries and amps... doesn't make sense mathematically and I wonder if it has more to do with them not cleaning their contacts at the ends of the cables and cleaning the battery posts every now and then more than it does adding more wire (with new clean contacts, see what I am getting at??? I am sure the smart ones here do....)

IMO 1/0 in 1 run is plenty for a SAZ-4500D.
How do you figure? 1/0awg is usually good for a max amperage draw of 350a depending on length. If you divide 4500w / 12v you get 375a. Obviously this amp won't be 100% efficient, but we all know Sundown amps are pretty underrated.
2 Runs of 1/0awg MINIMUM.
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Agreed, at least 2 runs.

And to Db-r, the reason you get small gains from more runs of wire is because more wire equals less resistance.
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Oh yeah, and to OP, I just got a small length of Knukonceptz Collosus Fleks for hooking up my second batt. and it's nice stuff.
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So 2 runs of 1/0 knu kolossus would be better than my 2/0 welding cable.
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So 2 runs of 1/0 knu kolossus would be better than my 2/0 welding cable.
Depending on strand count, yes. But that's not what you asked us to compare.
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Doesn't the Saz-4500D have dual 0 gauge power and ground inputs? i would think that if the manufacturer put dual inputs, then you would be best using them
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Depending on strand count, yes. But that's not what you asked us to compare.

What does strand count have to do with this? Useless number, your amp doesn't care about strand count.




And two runs of 1/0 is WAY more than one run or 2/0.

Cross sectional area:
1/0 - 106 kcmil
2/0 - 133 kcmil
dual 1/0 - 212 kcmil
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What does strand count have to do with this? Useless number, your amp doesn't care about strand count.




And two runs of 1/0 is WAY more than one run or 2/0.

Cross sectional area:
1/0 - 106 kcmil
2/0 - 133 kcmil
dual 1/0 - 212 kcmil
If the 2/0awg he's using contains more strands than 2 1/0awg lines.. yeah it matters.
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Normally you're spot on john, but in this case you are quite misinformed.



Strand count = marketing (and ease of bending)

Cross sectional area of copper = amperage!


If you want to carry more current, you need more copper, not a higher strand count. This means multiple parallel runs or 2/0, 3/0, 4/0 etc...

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I'm currently running 2 Blaupunkt PCA 1350s on an 8 guage wire and this thread got me thinking I needed to dig out the cable I will be using for a bigger future amp, the two I have now might perform better. I found my cable, Anaconda 1/0 (7 bundles of 50), I goggled it and they make industral welding cable, I had an understanding the number of strands reduce resistance in DC current flow, the sames idea as speaker wire, try using romex in a 12v application, and the ohms rating of a speaker can rise if you use a coarse speaker wire, I've seen that on an ohms meter.
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No, solid or stranded has no effect on low voltage DC. You may be thinking about the "skin effect" which can occur at alternating frequencies, in which electricity favors the outer "skin" of the conductor.
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If the 2/0awg he's using contains more strands than 2 1/0awg lines.. yeah it matters.
Strand count means flexibility, not ability to transfer power. In this case strand count means nothing. You're wrong.
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Creyc has this one spot on. Strand count has more to do with flexibility than anything, the jacket also effects flexibility as well. If it were me I would run two runs, just because I like to have a little extra.
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Point taken, A/C concerns rather than D/C, I know I've had hot spots in power equipment cables when it's been pinched or compressed (like in a closed door).
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Here's why strand count doesn't matter.
Imagine it like this:
If you use 4 6" solid rods to fill 1 sq. ft, the cross sectional area of those 4 rods is not 1 sq. ft., it's actually .785 sq. ft. Now use 144 1" solid rods to fill the same space, your actual cross sectional area is still .785 sq. ft.
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I actually thought that it did matter and in trying to prove the point I proved myself wrong.
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I do have a friend who is obsessed with ohms rating of speaker wires and has professed an ohms increases in coarse wire, however he bypasses the terminals in sub boxes, citing them as an check point for ohms increases too( I've taken his word, he's a ITT grad). If this is the case I've wasted money on fine 12 guage wire, I bought 200 feet to wire my home stereo speakers.
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Agreed, at least 2 runs.

And to Db-r, the reason you get small gains from more runs of wire is because more wire equals less resistance.
So this means that for example if u run several wires from my subwoofer terminal to the terminal on the box the imp rise would be lower? Mm... i know i just sound dumb but im just asking.

And btw , can anyone explain to me how do you guys run several power wires to a single wire input amplifier? Because im just running a single 4 gauge cable from my front batt to my rear one and then a single one to the distro blocks...

Please explain and clarify that to me and what are the benefits and how to please (I know im asking too much lol).

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I do have a friend who is obsessed with ohms rating of speaker wires and has professed an ohms increases in coarse wire, however he bypasses the terminals in sub boxes, citing them as an check point for ohms increases too( I've taken his word, he's a ITT grad). If this is the case I've wasted money on fine 12 guage wire, I bought 200 feet to wire my home stereo speakers.
The speaker terminals you buy at Best Buy or Radioshack would most definitely increase resistance. I like to make my own. 1/4" bolts through the side of the box.

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So this means that for example if u run several wires from my subwoofer terminal to the terminal on the box the imp rise would be lower? Mm... i know i just sound dumb but im just asking.

Kind of, larger wire and/or multiple runs of wire between the sub and amp will lower resistance generated between the sub and amp. Itwon't have any effect on impedance rise itself as that is generated by the woofer.

And btw , can anyone explain to me how do you guys run several power wires to a single wire input amplifier? Because im just running a single 4 gauge cable from my front batt to my rear one and then a single one to the distro blocks...

From what I understand, you don't. You do several runs of wire to a distro block that is located close to the amp and then do as many runs of as large of wire as the amp will support from the distro block to the amp (most amps only have one 0/1 gauge input). The only other thing that I can think of is that you could do a run of as large of wire as you can find between the distro block and the amp so as to cut down resistance as much as possible. (i.e. running 0/4 to a 0/1 input and cutting it down to fit.)

Please explain and clarify that to me and what are the benefits and how to please (I know im asking too much lol).

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