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Day 2 Progress:

First object on the agenda yesterday was the construction of the amp rack. From previous work we used foam board to cut out a template in which we transfer to the wood. Great time saver.













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Test fit of the final amp rack:








Had a slight scare with one of the amps as when handling it I would hear something rolling around inside. To find out it was a screw head from what looks like a mount for the board. Tested everything and all is solid. Amp guts:



Next step was to figure out the configuration of the amp rack:



With the configuration down it was time to carpet the rack:





With the addition of the carpet the rack literally disappears:



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If you ever wondered who the mastermind of this Build is. Here she is:



Not to mention free labor.


Time to get the items on the board:







Here is a shot of the remote barrier strip. All three amps in the rear will be attached:

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With the amp rack 70% built it was time to re-run the power, remote and Speaker wires.







Another shot of the amp rack. If you notice to the left I am using split loom:



Location of the Power supply:




Now the idea behind this rack is to be able to remove 3-4 items and be able to remove it from the trunk to allow for, well easier working conditions. Using a barrier strip for the front stage:



Split loom run along the stock run:



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Now when I was doing the speaker wiring in the rear 98 did up the RCA run:





Here is the shot of my work. We are changing how the wire is run today. We are going to run it under the amp rack up and around for a cleaner look.



As you can see I've labeled both the wire off the amp and on the barrier strip. I still need to do the wire run to the speakers.




Here is the shot of where we ran the RCA into the rear:



I've got way to much RCA. We might cut to shrink them down.






By this time we were ready to quite so I was more then happy with how much we got done yesterday. On today's agenda is to finish up the amp rack, do up the courtesy lighting, false floor, etc...
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A bit off topic but where did you get that big square. I have been looking for something like that to square plywood with but no luck. Only found drywall T-squares that are not adjustable and are always a little off.
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A bit off topic but where did you get that big square. I have been looking for something like that to square plywood with but no luck. Only found drywall T-squares that are not adjustable and are always a little off.
idk its 98Civic's so he would be the one to ask. It isn't adjustable and is actually slightly off but he may know what and where to find one. I will ask him in a couple min and have him message you.
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A bit off topic but where did you get that big square. I have been looking for something like that to square plywood with but no luck. Only found drywall T-squares that are not adjustable and are always a little off.
This is the same square I have:
Swanson Adjustable Drywall Square 48-Inch - Amazon.com

It is actually quite accurate, and pretty heavy duty for a square. It's all the other non-adjustable, flimsy ones that I have that are always messing up my lines. I absolutely love this thing. Get it!

I swear I got it at either Lowes in Wooster or Home Depot in Ashland, but it doesn't show up on any of their sites.
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This is the same square I have:
Swanson Adjustable Drywall Square 48-Inch - Amazon.com

It is actually quite accurate, and pretty heavy duty for a square. It's all the other non-adjustable, flimsy ones that I have that are always messing up my lines. I absolutely love this thing. Get it!

I swear I got it at either Lowes in Wooster or Home Depot in Ashland, but it doesn't show up on any of their sites.
Oh trust me I know. I've been to a lot of stores looking for one and all they have are the ones that are riveted together and seem to be off an 1/8 to 1/4 at 4 feet. I cant use that for what we do. I've been considering just building my own until I saw yours.
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So I would have Day 3 pics if I didn't delete them by accident. FAIL

Anyway I've run into a huge roadblock anyway which hope to have solved by Friday (when I'm able to test things individually outside the car).

I will then take pics of what we have done and will point out a couple things I am going to redo as far as wiring and layout.
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Here are a couple shots I took today of what we have done so far.





The MS8 will be moved from this location. Just to much going in down there. The location at this point is TBD. I've got plenty of RCA to move anywhere in the trunk. Probably will build a small box for it an mount it in one of the open areas on the side.








As you can see by the shots I have four separate pieces that (once built up) will construct the false floor.
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Update:

Not much going on other then waiting and planning out some fan configurations, potential locations for fan controller, voltage meter, etc...


I was going to do a 2 stage center channel setup but that has passed as I will eventually move to a competition daily setup in a few years (at least thats the plan as of now, can always change).

So I have decided to utilize the same main switch, volt meter setup as I had before but integrate the fan controller in as well so I can monitor the temps from up front. The only difference is I will be doing it up in fiberglass instead of MDF like last time. The temp prob will be place withing a half inch of the BRZ (right around the power supply).

Here is the layout:



Now of course this could change depending on space constraints but feel I will be able to get things to work out.

The system kill switch is for emergencies and will most likely be inline for the HU main power. I'm re-running power and ground directly from battery (fused) I thought of doing the remote off the HU but want it to kill everything audio related.

The ELD disable (right now) won't be used (don't run enough power to notice any effect).

The rear lighting I have a few ideas running in my head. But that's all they are. I have an RGB kit that I have plans to integrate into the car.



Now I'm also thinking of fan configurations as amps are hidden (layout in above). I've got all kinds of room to raise my box up so am thinking of adding some channels for inlets for the fans mounted beneath the box

Here is the layout:



Now this shows two inlets and two exhaust. Which is also an option.

Just have to figure out how I want to mount the box in.


I hope to get the trunk done this summer but that is all dependent on 98's and my work schedule (all my crap is over there and he has all the tools) as time is limited as far as being able to work goes. I really wanted to get it done up for this season so I can show it off (its not loud, as you can see bellow, but looks 100% better then 95% of competitors out there. As far as in my area. Most are slapped together with all the guts hanging out.)

I even have 30-40 sq ft of deadener that I want to get put into the car. I even have a set of Crescendo's Mezzo line (when it decides to get shipped out) on order. May just cancel it as I have the PWX's sounding great even the "PA" haters out there wouldn't mind listening to.
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Update:

Got some good progress done today and now have a good idea how she will look when she is all done.

First we started out sealing the vent holes in the trunk as I was losing a lot of pressure (even on low volume, trunk open they would flap like mad dogs. Full tilt you could feel a good bit of air movement through them:





Here is a little shot of all the mess. Once we get the MS8 in its final mounting position we will shorten the RCA's and clean this up quite a bit:



Now with the false floor we made it a 4 piece floor. Two side pieces similar to this one. Underneath this we had to add a Styrofoam spacer. Worked quite well:



Now it was time to build up the final mounting location for the battery. Even without this cradle the battery didn't move so this is more for security. Never know when I will decide to drift a corner or drag an unsuspecting teenager:



Now it was time to carpet the 4 individual pieces. Built the same way as the driver side:



Here is another shot of the battery holder. The carpet really made this look real nice:



Seeing that I will basically seal off the amps I decided to run some fans (controlled via a temperature controller which will be mounted up front). One draws in air and the other is exhaust. There will be two other fans circulating air inside as well (stay tuned for those pics). Using a steel fan guard to keep big items out of the fans blades:





Last but not least and final progress of the false floor was the main board. Had to do some trimming and a few trips later and 3 min worth of wrapping this is the final result:









Plans for tomorrow are to finish up the fan placement in the amp rack, run a main power and ground run up to center counsel (where HU power and ground will connect, main power for fan controller, and voltage meter). Then temporarily mount the temperature controller, voltage meter and switches.
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Update:

Got some good work done yesterday. Not as much as I hoped but at least it looks a hell of a lot better then before and is functional again.


Here is what we started the day off with.



If you look at the power/ground wiring we redid the ground as we were waiting for the final battery location to trim things up. As you can see here we had the ground from the amps running all the way pas the battery to the bolt for the chassis ground and then from there to the battery. Surprisingly I didn't have much of a drop in voltage. Roughly .1V

Now I ended up trimming a good 2+ feet off the ground from the amp and now the amps are directly off battery. Later on you will see the improvement in the wiring. I can probably take 6" or so off the power wire which I may end up doing but probably will look into upgrading the power/ground wire off the amps to battery to 1/0 as right now they are #2 gauge.


Anyway after this we started to work on the mount for the MS8 and after some thought of where I wanted to place it and how to help cover up some of the holes on the passenger side pocket. This is what we came up with:



We used some foam board to make a template and then cut the wood to the shape of the template.


Next step was to carpet it:



This panel is bolted directly to the sheetmetal backing in 3 (we had 4 but seemed to have missed on the very top portion). Still very solid. We couldn't get the MS8 totally horizontal but still looks really nice:




This is basically all the big parts we got done yesterday as for some reason I couldn't wire anything worth a crap and that took way to long to do. Also not show was temp mount and power up for the internal fans for the amp rack (atm they are wired into the remote turn on off the MS-8 for now. This will change in the future. I may even look at more powerful fans for down there as even though the fans I have now do move some air I don't think it will be enough under extended periods. Also will look at a better way to mount them as right now we have them down via velcro which is secure enough but I want a more stable platform for them. May look at a mount on the side well if I can.










As you can see she is looking great and I am comfortable taking her to shows without all the guts hanging out lol. Oh btw before someone asks I have the box mounted in place with blocks to keep it from shifting. Not shown in pictures.

Anyway here are near future plans:

1) Run dedicated power/ground into cabin (looking at 10-12 gauge for this) for:

Power/Ground for HU (this will have the system kill switch on it)
Power/Ground for voltage meter (battery voltage and switched)
Power/Ground for temp controller and 5v power supply

2) Mount power supply under center counsel (has own fan to keep cool)
3) Make temp mounting board and mount switches, fan controller, voltage meter (battery)

4) My Crescendo Mezzo comp set should be coming in sometime next week so will give them a try.

5) Make some supports for the rear false floor as with the heat and weight of the box there was some bowing which need to be dealt with. Also we will be fixing the box and most likely carpet it as well to match the trunk. If not we will paint it either black or look into bed liner.

Long term

1) Re-mount Courtesy LED's and fix wiring to work with both doors (everything is run as far as power/ground, just need to wire up the relay and run power/ground for LED's. Remount the LED's for cleaner look. Changing out LED's for pure white LED's.

2) Add a couple more White LED's in the trunk for more illumination and maybe add some red leds under the amp rack for ambient lighting through the fans (just an idea now not sure if I will do it.)

3) Carpet exposed metal in trunk for better uniform look also deadening wheel wells to kill some road noise before carpeting.



Anyway as you can tell the biggest bulk of the work is done and the build is nearing an end as far as its current state. Then its time to start working on electrical so I can do all this over again lol.
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Minor Update:

Nothing much going on with the build as money is tight. But recently got the Speaker tweeker kit from Second Skin. Also I haven't been good about posting up updates such as the new speakers etc...


Anyway some of you already know but I am now sporting the Exodus Anarchy mids. They are the 8 ohm version which I got while DIYCable (now offline) had them on sale. Awesome drivers:







Now with the tweeker kit I had to trim a small section off to clear the brace in the door.

Ya ya I'm sorry. I got a little to excited about the Anarchy's:




Here you can see what I was talking about:



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Saving for a couple vids of the mids in action (close to an hour to upload).

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In the vids I have the MS-8 set for 2 way only no sub, HPF/LPF (35hz @18db/oct to 2800hz @12db/oct) . I really wanted to hear what these would do in a crude 2-way setup. Would be sick in a 3 way setup. Mainly wanted to see the low end extension of these drivers. Crossover is key with these mids as they have a nasty peak around 3-4k and can be quite overwhelming. I'm still experimenting with crossover points with these. I really need to get a RTA so this will be easier lol.

Granted they are not seeing anywhere near enough power they sounded great. You won't be able to tell in the vids but I was able to get clean down to 30 hz or so. Faint but could hear it. Was shaking my mirrors. Plus they only have close to 3-4 hours of play time on them anyway so are fairly fresh and need to break in more.
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Another small update:


Decided since I have a fair amount of deadener I would do some more deadening to the doors. Ya I know its really overkill at this point but... why not?






Also want to report that today I bought 1 of 6 pair of the Exodus Anarchy 4 ohm 6.5" drivers. Once these are in they will replace the pair I have in the car right now as this will allow me to give them more power them what the 8 ohm's I have in now are.

Also want to report that I will at some point. Hopefully this winter move onto a 3 way setup with the anarchy's. At some point I will be swapping out the MS-8 for another processor. I'm wanting something that I will have more control over. Currently I'm possibly looking at a 2 way with the Anarchy's but would require at least a 3" full range driver that will be crossed at 2k and be capable of having that upper end sparkle that tweeters have. It's even possible I would utilize the stock tweeters just to give that top end (10-14K on up).

Also at some point I will be swapping the 80 prs out for a double din HU as IMHO they look much better in the Civic.


Anyway tonight I and 98 are meeting to design out my front distro/fuse block in which will replace the current setup where everything is on one main fuse. I'm making the change due to the fact that if it does blow. I won't be able to drive the car at all. Electric steering assist, 70+ mph. Doesn't seem like that would be fun if the fuse blew...

I think I already posted up the paint design but if not here it is:



The main power run to the rear will be fused via the standard ANL fuse (250A). The main power for the vehicle will most likely start out fused but may make a bridge out of aluminum as its all fused in the stock fuse panels. The accessory will have my headlights (HID's), aftermarket horn, etc on it. Not sure how much I will fuse it at but may start out at 50-80A (can't remember the lowest mini ANL fuse rating I have.

Headlights have separate 20A fuses inline.
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Update:

It's been quite for a while as far as the build goes but with a few recent sales of a few of my items. Including the late MS8. I have gotten a couple of items.

Today I got home and found a couple packages on my door. Wonder what I could be:



Rockford Fosgate 3.sixty.3 to replace the late MS8. You may ask why get rid of the MS8. Don't get me wrong, it's a amazing unit and I have no grip with it. It just didn't give me the control I really wanted.



Whats with the HDD/SSD enclosure (it doesn't say it on box but it is hint hint)? Well I will hold off on that as to what I am going to use that for.







Anyway here are some specs on the 360.3:
  • 8-channel balanced differential RCA inputs
  • Selectable balanced/unbalanced output
  • 8-channel high level input with signal sense turn-on
  • Auxiliary RCA and optical inputs
  • Interactive graphic user interface controlled via laptop (windows pc)
  • 248 bands of equalization for OEM integration or aftermarket tuning
  • Full phase control
  • Time delay
  • Digital signal processing with OEM integration capabilities
  • Bluetooth connectivity with A2DP wireless audio streaming
  • Programmable dual function remote (Master Volume, Sub Volume, Sub EQ)
  • Up to 12dB of output gain (up to 8V out)
  • Up to four programmable EQ presets
  • Multiple slope and class independent crossovers
  • Remote turn-on in/out function with adjustable turn-on delay










Look for more updates tonight and tomorrow. I plan to get the processor in and working. May even start with tuning.

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Well 360.3 went in with no issues at all and is all ready for tuning tomorrow.

On the agenda:

Set gains on amps (been having an issue with my one PPI in garage where it would go into protect when anything other then the speakers are placed in parralel)
Run RTA and get a curve I like
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Fine tune if needed (by ear)
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Update:

Sorry I haven't updated but ran into a snag with the PPI amps. Seems, with talking with a few members on DIYMA/CACO I will have to have them repaired. Not in the way you think. Nothing is blown, broke, or leaking BUT PPI didn't solder a lot of the caps, etc on the output stage of the amp good enough. So the result is diminished output (which causes the amp to cut out go into protect for no reason). When gain is anything more then 40% and absolutely no clipping shown on Scope.

So At this point I'm putting in my Hifonics ZXi80.4 until I can grab a higher output 4 channel amp. I'm looking for a Nendo 1100.4 for anyone who may be selling theirs.

Why so much?

Well these Anarchy's are power hungry (even more so since they are 8 ohm). Soon to be replaced by 4 ohm versions.

Anyway I am now ready to get the gains set up on the amps and hopefully I don't run into anymore issues.
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Update:

Got TA all set up (for two front seats, I like it more that way. Still stages great for either seat). Is it perfect, no as I did it by ear. I'm going to measure things out tomorrow and see how off my ears were.

I followed a tuning guide on DIYMA as far as switching polarity for certain speakers. My driver side mid and tweeter are reversed and passenger side are normal. BIGGEST improvement from the MS8 is the midbass presence. Quite happy with that.


I tried using RTA. I'm more of a listener and like doing it more by ear. One big issue I was having was a massive dip around 1K. From researching more on the Anarchies that's generally where the 3rd harmonic is located. It seems that I have that figured out with raising the crossover. Had it at 50hz before. It is now up at 70hz.


Anyway still looking, well needing, for a used Nendo 1100.4


Oh did clamp. Here are the results:

Sundown E-12 in 6th order 2:1

405W RMS @ 2.11 ohm (little odd here, suggesting the box has little rise. At least at 40hz)

8 ohm Exodus Anarchy 6.5"

35-38W RMS @ ??? (can't recall, don't think we calculated it)

^^^ Talk about starving the Anarchy's. Some point here I will be getting the 4 ohm versions in. Once I can get a power house of an amp they will love me for it.
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Update:

Well I had another package show up at the door today and here is the result



Now some of you may have figured this is where I was heading with the HDD enclosure. Now I will say it is still cheaper to go with an external HDD over going the route I did. Here is why I decided to do what I did.

I wanted a SSD for the car for some time now as with the HDD you have physical moving parts. Cold and these parts don't mix to well either. With the SSD I've eliminated these moving parts. Also I hope to gain some upload speed. I have almost 100 GB (most of that is Loseless) and I would average around a 30-50 second upload time for the HU to read through the drive. It used to not be that long but the drive (moving parts) is starting to wear out. Plus I'm sure the bass didn't help it either.

Now while searching for SSD drives I paid close attention to the amount of power needed to run these. Most HU's can support up to 500+/-100 ma out the usb. Now we all know SSD drives use less power then your regular HDD. With this Samsung unit I calculated it would only need half the current draw to operate then my Seagate external drive.

Seagate:

500ma current draw needed

Samsung:

Just under 250ma current draw needed





Update on the PPI amps:

I haven't gotten really far with them. I'm in talks with Tim Webb (over on CACO). I may just break down and send him one amp and see what he can find as far as repairing it. It seems that the issue is with the solder job (quite poor for factory controlled, solder is cloudy, and not metallic like it should be. And the lack of it). So I'm going to ask him what he charges to diagnose an amp and will go from there.
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In the next few weeks hopefully (pending the condition of my Grandfather, stage 4 cancer, Pancreatic, right kidney, and around main aorta) I will have some more progress done with the car. Anyway a lot of things are being planed for the overall look of the build.

For one I'm going to integrate my Ipad mini into the dash (80 PRS behind the mount). It's going to be the main lossless audio, video platform (plan on trying one of those wifi external HDD to store the main media). Running full digital via the Pure I 20 to the 360.3.

Also a new addition to my plans if going to the unorthodox method of tweeterless. Before you get all bent out of shape please see what I have planed. I have sourced a pair of new Audible Physics RAMs full range drivers (with Ambiance transducers) in which I will mount in the A pillar. I've been in contact with a member on 8thcivic/Diyma who has had a lot of success in the SQ scene running these vary drivers tweeterless.
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