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Set the gain for 2 ohms. Not 2.7.
When you measured 2.7 ohms that's at one frequency.
In reality it varies, at the FS of the drivers it can get up around 50 ohms with some drivers. If you measured it's impedance near it's FS, you might conclude that you should set the gain assuming the impedance is that high all the time. If you want to set it assuming 2.7 ohms that's probably fine, it likely can handle the extra power.

Amplifiers and Power ratings always irk me. They just amplify a voltage, they have no idea how much power they are outputting. It would be so much better for them to recommend a voltage @ a nominal impedance. But I digress.

Anyways an image usually helps:


So what are you looking at? Well this would be the amplifier load with the gain set for 1kW. As you can see the acutal power never reaches 1kW. It's highest at tuning. At around 65Hz it's less than 100 watts. If you were measuring the power output of the amp at this frequency you might conclude something is wrong, since it's outputting less than 1/10th the power you set the gain for. It's just because there is an impedance peak there. If anything it's a bonus, the SPL out is pretty decent there for 1/10th the power, the efficiency here is quite high.

Anyways in your situation it'll be different, since it's a different sub, different type of box, and different amount of power.

So just set the gain on the amp for sqrt(500W*2R)=31.6Vrms
Thanks Fallen that really clears things up... 98civic and I had no idea as there wasn't a real clear discussion about it...
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over 150 on 3 2515s you say. You got pics of this setup? And if so make a thread so we aren't derailing his.
Thanks SINTORMAN... I appreciate keeping unrelated chat out to keep the thread as clean as possible...
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Hey all just wanted to give you an update on my build... I had recently won a free case of Alpha Damp over a ROE and today was a good day to get it in with a lot of other things as well...

Also wanted to share this compilation of my build... 7 min of pure fun and adrenalin...

http://youtu.be/f16u_ZF2zCo

First thing was to gut the trunk so my friend work on dampening the trunk and do some necessary cleaning... I was amazed at all the crap I found down there...

As you can see there is a lot of the factory dampening on there already so all we did was reinforce that with the alpha damp



Hmm wonder what the plastic tube and vent sorta things is for?



Laying out the sheets to figure placement...



Damp in lets move on... I made sure to really hit the area over the muffler in hopes to eliminate whatever vibrations from the muffler I can...



I really didn't like the black random pieces of damp so decieded to get some aluminum foil Duct tape as I've heard its a wonderful sealer and makes it look much more uniform... Here are a couple progression shots









Finally done after a couple hours with a break or two included...




Got to represent my audio buds over at ROE. Custom made to fit my Car and color matches... Thanks 98Civic





My friend hitting my door panels with deadener to kill the buzzing sounds I get at high volume...



OMG!!! LOOK AT THAT MESS. Did I do that...



Also to help with the buzzing sound my friend added some 3/4" foam tape on the outer spots of the door to separate metal to plastic contact as much as possible...



Also we finally added some Velcro to the amp rack to hold the top and middle pieces down so they won't become flying pieces of death when I slam the breaks on...



We still need to sand the top down flush to the box so it looks nice...

We also upped the power to the sub... First off the sub is rated to 400W RMS and can take that all day every day non stop no matter the music... I've been running it at 500W RMS max controllable with the included controller at which I have marked where 400W RMS is located for daily driving and 500W RMS for demo's/metering... Well needless to say the sub had no issue playing 500W RMS constantly... I was able to test it very well this past week as it was middle 90's and 30 min drives to and from work... So today we decided to up the power some more and we came upon 625W RMS for the max as the sub plays comfortable there on any song without having to much of an issue with thermal produced... We figure this is about the limit of the box and didn't want to push it to much and bottom the sub out... I am stilling using the remote to control the gain and have it set to play 500W RMS daily...

I played a couple songs with a 5 min break in between each song or so to allow the sub to cool (on took a few seconds but didn't want to push it) and the response is amazing... I wouldn't be surprised if I were mid to slightly upper 130's... Also the transition between bass notes is amazing... Just looking at the sub as it plays wants to make me go to the bathroom if you know what I mean... For a sealed setup I couldn't ask for more... Jacob did a wonderful job with these subs and they have a lot of potential...



We still are not done yet as today we need to work on sealing the rear deck with the foil tape and use some of the foam tape to stop it from rattling in the back as Honda has made it quite hard to put back on with the rear window in the way...
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Coming along quite nicely. I don't think you are hitting upper 30s though. I'd say 33-34 most likely tops. Jacob builds very good stuff, I'm glad you are starting to push it a little. The rms ratings are a joke
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Coming along quite nicely. I don't think you are hitting upper 30s though. I'd say 33-34 most likely tops. Jacob builds very good stuff, I'm glad you are starting to push it a little. The rms ratings are a joke
Lol the RMS rating is a good conservative number... Thanks wish I could do a little more but feel that its to the limitation of the box...
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A small update:

I got the MX-3 for my sub stage to have some form of EQ for the sub as as it stands the HU eq is at 100HZ... Have the sub at 80HZ so that doesn't really effect a lot of the sub other then the higher range depending on how the curve looks... and have the clipping indicator...





Not sure if anyone here can do anything but I do notice a range where the subs dips down a little bit so what would be the best way to figure the correct range? We can play a sweep but I'm no good at telling the frequency so is there a program we could run that could possibly show this dip?

Guess we could play independent frequencies to see the location that needs boosted...


Didn't see that EQL by Audio Control... future upgrade for my active setup
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Hello all,

We were able to get the MX-3 put in yesterday, well roughly as the setup instructions are really vague... but to the install


First off the unit itself looks really good with the chrome finish so I wanted it to be seen but with an extremely clean finish... I've been looking at the drivers side rear well for some time and imagining a nice flat finish with the unit inset with matching fabric that bleeds into the curves for a flawless flat finish... Kinda got the idea from those sub boxes that go into the same area... Just looks clean and flows

With all this in mind we took a few measurements to make a mounting base for the unit with close to a 30 degree angle to give a nice look...

The base was a basic triangle setup with a 3 in base and 8 in high...

Want to say sorry for the crappy cell phone pics but didn't have my camera with me as this was a spur of the moment type of thing...



The whole mount is drilled into the sheet metal right behind the carpet...


Now that we had the basic mount done up we had to figure out what we would use to make the beauty panel to hide and clean things up... After running to our local Wally World we found a sheet of black Foam board that we could shape to the contours of the well... This stuff is actually quite strong and when coupled with the fabric/carpet finish shouldn't have much of an issue with things damaging it to much... I mean for $2 it wouldn't be hard to replace/fix...

Basically we just used a utility knife to cut the general shape out... Being careful to not take to much at a time:




Next on the list was to cut out the window for the MX-3... Once again we found and cut a small window where the unit was and then cut small pieces off until we got the finished look...





At this point it was time to run power, ground, remote, and RCA input/output wires... Won't go into much detail about this but the wires where run behind the carpeting through the stock hole in the carpet from the screw tab that held the carpet up and to the unit itself... It was recommended to put a 5 amp inline fuse on the power wire as the unit itself isn't fused. We didn't have a inline fuse holder on us so we had to make our own... I do have on order a fuse holder and that will replace our mock up... Once it stop raining I will get more pictures for you... At this point this is a work in progress so things are not tied down






Now tuning this thing was really unclear as there isn't much detail out there about the unit and the tutorial vids for this unit don't necessarily sit well with conventional amp tuning... I will probably make a DIY about setting things up correctly using this unit as things can seriously go wrong if things are not set up right...



A few weeks ago we were able to determine that I have a slight dip right around 37 hz of roughly 3 db's... So we focused right on a 40 hz tone for the setup with roughly +/- 5 hz to either side of roughly 1.5 db boost on the MX-3. Depending on how good the clipping indicator is there isn't any hard clipping until the exact peak of my max output at 47 hz... And were talking a millisecond... I don't really worry about it as this unit seems to pick up any clipping within the recording itself and i can't really do anything about it.


Hopefully in a few weeks or so we can get back on the meter to further tune the unit and tune things correctly at that point...
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Sounds like you're making good progress.

If there's a hard clip at 47Hz, maybe back the gain off slightly until it's a soft clip.



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Sounds like you're making good progress.

If there's a hard clip at 47Hz, maybe back the gain off slightly until it's a soft clip.
Ya I backed off the volume a couple clicks and it brought it down to a soft clip so its been noted... I will have to play with it as I believe it may be the song itself
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Small update:

I'm currently in the planning stage of building a centralized mounting board for my remotes, a rocker switch for disabling my ELD (thing pisses me off so much, the delay is horrible), and possible another voltage meter up front that will be on a switch that would allow me to run it when I want to keep an eye on it up front... Probaby will run all new wire directly from the battery to it if I decide to do this...

I will be placing this in a din right in front of my shifter which I can part with... Its quite a large area so here is what i'm planning so far...

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Thanks... As long as I can get it to look nice. Not quite sure what I want to wrap it in though...
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Another update:

In a couple days 98Civic and I will be busting tail to get things done before school starts. So here is whats planed:

1) Tap into the sensory wire and add a switch to enable/disable the ELD (Electronic Load Detector)...

2) Build a central mounting board for remotes, voltage meter, and switches... Here is the planning/build log for this little project... Won't go into much detail here so take a look at the link provided:

http://forum.realmofexcursion.com/ge...build-log.html

Here are the switches and voltage meter:

3/4" rocker style switch, blue "ON" indicator light... Very audible click as well...



Stinger voltage meter, Red, same as my one on my amp rack...



3) Fix courtesy lighting wiring. Place them under carpet for cleaner look, possibly put them on a switch as well... or possible wire them to work with both doors, as of now I have them wired to work with the driver side door (tap'd ground into switch)... Thinking we will have to use a series of relays and whatnot to make this work... Probably will post a thread for help to figure wiring as its a little over my head to know what exactly to do...

4) Deaden rear quarter panels, add foam tape to metal to plastic contact to kill rattles, fix any loose panels... Tighten things down and double check interior for more rattles...

5) Tare everything out the trunk and fix wiring from MX-3 to amp rack... Clean up

6) Strip boxes down and bondo boxes for cleaner look, Sand the crap ton out of them for flawless look, Repaint...

7) Repair mounting board and add either metal plates to bottom of board and add bolts for more secure mounting

8) Replace boxes and components, Re-tune highs amp to 80-85W RMS and double check mono amp for correct gain setting (set it using my tone generated in audacity (WAV format for both highs and mono amp))

9) Replace MX-3 and carpet beauty panel to match trunk carpet and get it looking nice...



That should about do it, as you can see we have quite list of work ahead of us so we plan on taking close to 3+ Days to complete everything... Will post a lot of pics/vids if I take any and keep an eye on the central mounting board build log as it could be quite interesting how this will come out...
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Gonna be a lot of work lol but it will be worth it to get this build finished up. Hopefully there will be some deadener left over and I can get my doors sealed up as well. Prob won't have time to get it done before school but I'm buying two of Hackmunch's batteries on CACO that will be going in my civic....finally getting more electrical....be proud of me Justin
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Gonna be a lot of work lol but it will be worth it to get this build finished up. Hopefully there will be some deadener left over and I can get my doors sealed up as well. Prob won't have time to get it done before school but I'm buying two of Hackmunch's batteries on CACO that will be going in my civic....finally getting more electrical....be proud of me Justin
As long as that alt can keep up
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Had good progress on my central remote board, take a look at the build...

There wasn't a lot that we did other then that today...

But we where able to get the MX-3 panel wrapped today:








The carpet (carpet from our local audio shop) is a charcoal color... Slightly lighter then stock but still looks good...



PS: Yes got all this audio in the trunk and can still fit my golf clubs, actually can fit two...
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Day 2 Progress: ELD work, meter work


Had a very productive day running wire and getting things looking nice. Started off by removing the air box and battery (safety, also wrapped terminals so there could be no way to ground out the caps from the amps) for more working room... That's one thing about this car is that there isn't a lot of room to work with inside the engine bay....

BTW here is the DIY I used:

Unplug ELD? - 8th Generation Honda Civic Forum


Once we had some working room it was time to remove the fuse panel and pop some tabs to get to the bottom of the panel where the ELD is located...






Next we had to find the sensory wire... Orange with silver hashes... and extend the wires into the cabin where I will be able to enable and disable the sensory feed...

I took us a few mins to find the correct plug as it was located underneath all the mass of wires going into the fuse panel...




Here is a shot of the wire cut:




For the connections we used but connectors, heat shrink and on top of that electrical tape as well...




And to secure this in place we were able to stuff most of it back into the stock loom for even more protection...






The toughest part was trying to figure out how we were to get this into the vehicle as there wasn't in the way much we could work with going through the firewall... So I was looking around and noticed that it could be run through here:





Up by the side mirror and down into the door cavity which we then ran it through the same place I ran my speaker wire:



Thank goodness we had some petroleum jelly for lube as I'm sure my friend would have killed me, stole my car, and probably run it off a cliff... lol This ate up most of our time, but was worth it as it looks very clean...




This wire then runs back behind the interior fuse panel:



along the front, under the carpet of course, up into the cousel area



and into the bin where the mounting board will be located...





While doing these was also decided to run a direct power and ground from the battery for the voltage meter...




The meters remote wire is wired directly to a switch so I can turn it on and off when I want even if the car is off...





As of right now I have the switches and meter temporarily in place... After doing some initial testing the difference between the ELD on and off isn't really noticeable with the amount of power I running... Had to do some adjusting to the meters but running 14V full tilt and 13.8V- 13.9V with the air on... There was a lot of delay once the first initial start up happened, after reconnecting the battery, as I would dip down to 12.5V and it would then climb slowly, about 5 seconds to return to 14V, but testing it more today it doesn't dip below 13.2V in most cases... and jumps right back to 14.1V in a second or two... Driving down the road I was getting a solid 14.2-14.3V consistently, didn't matter what I was running...

The biggest difference I will probably see with not running the ELD is gas mileage as basically is used to lower the demand from the alt which in turn improves fuel econ...


It was simple to do and easily reversible if I decide to revert back...





Today we plan on mounting the board, components, and potentially wrapping the board as well... Not quite sure if I will like the looks, or potentially do a more permanent setup involving bondoing the unit to the bin instead of making it removable and painting the bondo flat black to match the plastic for a seamless look... Then see about wrapping the board itself, or do what I'm doing with my boxes and paint it a gloss...
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Updates (Non-car audio related):

Not to much going on other then work and trying to find some time to work on the car. So instead of making another thread and seeing this thread is mine I decided to post up car mods and whatnot else related here as well...

So here is what parts I have for a cheap simple mod:

Some Scotch 77 adhesive



Yard of Red fabric suede, not exactly this stuff:

Home Decor Solid Fabric-Signature Series Suede True Red*: home decor solid fabric*: home decor fabric*: fabric*: *Shop | Joann.com


Hint it has something to do with the doors... That's all I'm giving ATM, should have pics up later tonight...



I also have some pending items that I still need to recieve:

1) Aluminum shifter base bushings:



2) My shifter boot is wore out so I'm replacing it with a leather with red stitch boot:



3) In the mood for a weighted nob as well, plus the stock is a scratched up...




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Here is the result for the driver side... It was getting late and was getting tired and didn't want to mess the other side up so I just got the driver side done...

I will tell you know pics don't do the color justice, its much darker then the pics show...

Door off and insert removed... It was very simple to remove (13 screws and some plastic taps that needed drilled out):



Here is the stock black suede:



Tried to get as even a coverage as I could, let it dry till tacky and applied the new fabric:



After some patience here is the new insert:



Got it trimmed up:



Here is the final look in the door:



Door installed on car:



Now I need to look into either fixing or replacing the arm rest there... Its faded bad... Maybe I will continue the red on the lower band there and keep the top black... I've seen the whole thing red and it looks tacky...
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try looking into plasticx by meguirs for the arm rest. that ish popped all of my trim back to "brand new black". it does leave it a tad oily, similar to most interior sprays, but its not awful
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I meant the actual fabric on the arm rest... but I use and love this stuff:

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I'm planning on changing out my mids within the next month. Here is what I will be swapping out to:

PWX 6.5" mid range - Crescendo Audio | Online Store

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For now I will continue to use the crossover and tweeters from MB Quart... I've confirmed that the crossover is set at 2,900 hz with a -6db/oct for the woofer and -12db/oct for the tweeter

Wouldn't say its the best setting but should still sound ok till I get my active setup going... Still need to get me a Audio Control DQXS to cross before the amp...
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Update:

Just wanted to post up some plans for improving the look and accessibility of the amps.

So the idea here for improving the accessibility of the amps are to add drawer slides to allow me to access the whole amp without taring everything out just to get to a simple gain knob or even the rca's...

Here are the slides (at least the form, probably will get them at the local Lowe's, Home depot store) I'm looking at getting:

Amazon.com: KV Economical Full Extension Drawer Slide 10" 100lb Load Rating: Home Improvement

The idea here is to allow for full extension and have enough strength to support the amps weight.


Now the issue here is somehow having the ability to lock these in place so while driving they don't come flying out and potentially damaging something... Not to sure yet what I will use but that's all in the fun of building and improving something...

I will also be adding a 1/4" polycarbonate (Lexan in this case) backing with "Civic SI" running across the middle of the back. I'm hoping to find , either through my friends mom, or a local shop to get it either etched or adding a foggy white that will glow blue either using the lights inside the box or fitting a couple strips of LED's down the sides and making a nice frame for it. Not sure yet


Anyway here is the general look (lol I know missed the last C in Civic, might try the last C reversed):







EDIT: ^^^^ It won't pull out

Time to re-think
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