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Im going to Build a new box next week. And id like to set some things straight. i have no experience or knowledge about resin or fiberglass. Which leads me to my first question. Whats the difference between resin and fiberglass? And whats the official name for the fabric used with fiberglass? Is that stuff required if you resin the inside of a box? Whats a good type/brand of resin to use with wood? Where can it be purchased (specific sections of store please)? Also how many coats is recommended. and any other tips would be nice to know
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resin is a hardener which is used for fiberglass and in which fiberglass
is just that fiberglass(the cloth in which you speak of)as far as how much and the mixture someone else will chime in
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Im going to Build a new box next week. And id like to set some things straight. i have no experience or knowledge about resin or fiberglass. Which leads me to my first question. Whats the difference between resin and fiberglass? And whats the official name for the fabric used with fiberglass? Is that stuff required if you resin the inside of a box? Whats a good type/brand of resin to use with wood? Where can it be purchased (specific sections of store please)? Also how many coats is recommended. and any other tips would be nice to know
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Layup resin is good for what you need.
Be sure to mix the hardener in correctly.
The actual Matt or Cloth IS the fiberglass.
The resin is what makes it stiff.
Resin is some nasty sh** also, wear gloves.
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Alright... I've done quite a bit of fiberglass work in the past. It's really not that difficult! You can make a bare MDF skeleton, then stretch polyester fleece over the skeleton, stapling/nailing to the MDF skeleton. Then after all the fleece is nice and tight and no wrinkles, you can start applying fiberglass resin with the right amount of MEKP. MEKP = hardener. After it sets up, you can start applying fiberglass mat. Tear chunks of the mat into workable pieces, and "stipple" the resin into it with a paintbrush.

www.fiberglassforums.com has a ton of a wealth of knowledge.

You can buy fiberglass at walmart with the construction adhesive/caulking. It'll be expensive that way, though. You can get 5 gallon tubs of it from www.uscomposites.com
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Dagnabit. Thundra and his n1njar skills beat me to the www.uscomposites.com site.

I've never used their product. I can get 5 gallon tubs form a boat/fiberglass shop here in town. It just takes foreverrrrr to kick. And if I add too much MEKP, it kinda starts on fire.
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Dagnabit. Thundra and his n1njar skills beat me to the www.uscomposites.com site.

I've never used their product. I can get 5 gallon tubs form a boat/fiberglass shop here in town. It just takes foreverrrrr to kick. And if I add too much MEKP, it kinda starts on fire.
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Alright... I've done quite a bit of fiberglass work in the past. It's really not that difficult! You can make a bare MDF skeleton, then stretch polyester fleece over the skeleton, stapling/nailing to the MDF skeleton. Then after all the fleece is nice and tight and no wrinkles, you can start applying fiberglass resin with the right amount of MEKP. MEKP = hardener. After it sets up, you can start applying fiberglass mat. Tear chunks of the mat into workable pieces, and "stipple" the resin into it with a paintbrush.

www.fiberglassforums.com has a ton of a wealth of knowledge.

You can buy fiberglass at walmart with the construction adhesive/caulking. It'll be expensive that way, though. You can get 5 gallon tubs of it from www.uscomposites.com
thanks for the info. ive seen a couple of tutorials of this. Im actually just looking for stiffen the box.

Im building the box 2-3 layers thick w/ resin and 45's...should make it WAY more efficient than my current box. Just gotta get a design
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The custom shop I worked at, my boss was crazy with the MEKP. It seemed like he WANTED to see smoke and flames.
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Not sure if it will help but here is a link that somewhat explains

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thanks for the info. ive seen a couple of tutorials of this. Im actually just looking for stiffen the box.

Im building the box 2-3 layers thick w/ resin and 45's...should make it WAY more efficient than my current box. Just gotta get a design
Just for your CVX or whatever? Bro, you don't need all that for a single sub seeing around 500watts...

I'm putting about 1500rms to my 2 12's and I have absolutely no fiberglass in/on it. Then again, it is a horn...
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200w rms, sub is rated for 150. and my simple goal is to make it as loud as possible. trying to pull 130db out of it. not sure how hard or easy itll be..but gotta start somewhere.

and ya i got a horn design from fallen. but sumin about it i dont like. and he vanished so i cant talk to him about it.

And about it being messy.. i was at a show and a guy standing about 5 ft away from me was talking to his friend showing he had some resin on his shoe.. he said it sank in and dried. he couldnt remove his sock from the shoe for awhile.
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What am i looking for on uscomposites.com?
http://www.uscomposites.com/resins.html
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http://www.uscomposites.com/polyesters.html


B-440 Premium Polyester Layup Resin
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From my understanding, the B440 is pretty damn good.
Fiberglass IS extremely messy. Wear old junky clothes, gloves, etc.

If you want 130 out of what you have, stiffening up your enclosure won't do much IMO. A more effecient enclosure will.
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fallen designed it. im alittle skepticle to its design with the mounting of the sub. but then again what do i know

Btw the sub mounts on the inner port toward the opening on the right.and how much resin would i need?
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No need for resin, IMO... Just use a bunch of Titebond3, screws spaced every 4", and make sure all your boards are straight!
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No need for resin, IMO... Just use a bunch of Titebond3, screws spaced every 4", and make sure all your boards are straight!
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I may be getting better. lol my last box was alittle off. but not by much. shouldnt effect it much. my last box i screwed and glued. Im not really sure where to get titebond 3. home depot doesnt seem to sell it. (even if theyd id there employee's are clueless)
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they got it,its a major product for them check the glue isle you'll see it
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It is a pretty major product... Should be with all their adhesives. If they don't have Titebond3, use Titebond2. From what I understood from reading the bottles, the Titebond3 just has a longer setup time.
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i know for a fact they have titebond 1 and 2. but no sign of 3. and the employee's are pretty well clueless so no help from them.

I walked in to the paint area asked where titebond was..they said "we dont carry that"..i look near the counter and there it sat. how helpful
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Its in the paint department. They have it. And trust Jud (Fallen) I've seen some good results from his designs. And believe me, if you get it *resin* on your hands, it will be there for a few days. Gasoline wont cut it. lol


:EDIT:: Then get TB2


And the 440 is some good resin.
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How much would i need?
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