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Second Skin Rep Jon 06-18-2011 08:01 PM

Why roofing products don't work...
 
Because of the recent influx of people wanting to save money by purchasing roofing products, I decided to write a short article as to why these products are not a valid option.

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The main three.
When it comes to controlling and eliminating vibrations there are typically three categories of products to choose from. Mass loaders, CLDs and FLDs.

Mass loaders are exactly what they sound like, they add mass to lower the resonance frequency of the panel.
Mass loading was a popular technique in years past, but mass loading is extremely ineffective and is considered old technology. Why? To be effective, mass loading requires approximately four times the weight of the panel to be added to reduce the panels resonance just one octave. This in not an efficient way to control vibrations, not to mention the negative impact it'll have on your gas mileage.

Next up you have CLDs (constrained layer dampers). CLDs work by converting the vibrational energy into low level negligible heat. Because of their efficiency at controlling vibrations, these products are typically thinner and lighter then traditional mass loaders while performing two or three times as well. Thinner, lighter, and less product needed to achieve greater results.

And finally you have FLDs (free-layer dampers), or extensional dampers. These type of products include most liquid vibration products and a few self sticking mat products. The way they work is that vibrational energy is dissipated as a result of extension and compression of the damping material, vs. a cld where the energy is lost through shear deformation of the material.

In most cases CLDs have the upper hand over FLDs because of their ability to maintain a higher loss factor across a wider range of frequencies, temperatures, and thicknesses of the substrate. Basically they are more efficient at controlling vibrations. This is especially true when applications require a light weight solution. For instance on a substrate of say 1/8", a cld mat of only 1/16" may be required to control the vibrations. The FLD on the other hand may require three or four times the thickness, so 3/16 to 1/4", to achieve the same loss factor.


Why roofing materials aren't a suitable product for use in vibration control.
People looking for a cheaper alternative to proper sound deadening seem to flock towards the roofing department at their home improvement stores.
Products that are typically found and used are Peel & Seal and other similarly produced roofing membranes. Often these look and feel similar, if not the same, as actual vibration control products so it becomes an obvious choice. Heck there has even been several companies that went as far as rebadging these roofing products as automotive sound deadening and sell them at a premium. Go capitalism! ;)

The reason these roofing products are not an effective or efficient alternative are many. Most roofing products are made from asphalt or a combination of asphalt, bitumen, petroleum distillates, and/or low grade rubber. These in most any combination equate to a low grade adhesive. Because of this, these products are intended for use on low sloping roofs, typically not exceeding 30, as their their adhesive is the limiting factor. If you were to apply such product to a vertical surface, such as a car door, failure can be imminent.

Another reason these roofing products are not ideal is the fact that they lack a thick enough constraining layer (foil) to do any good. Without this constraining layer the product can't withstand the shear strain of panel flex and the conversion of the vibrational energy into low level heat is lost.

Even as inefficient as mass loading is, these products wouldn't even cut the mustard as a mass loader because they are just too light weight (averaging about .30 pounds per sq. ft.).


At the end of the day, it's your vehicle and your money. Take the info presented here in this article and make an informed decision.
Later,

Darkmage1991 06-18-2011 08:57 PM

Re: Why roofing products don't work...
 
about time someone writes an article about this =P i gave some rep for the good info for the newbies

RidinLoudProd 06-18-2011 09:03 PM

Re: Why roofing products don't work...
 
great info, ive been told to use a roofing material that it works just as good and is cheaper.

sri3850341 06-19-2011 03:15 AM

Re: Why roofing products don't work...
 
Roofing material also melts/drips, here in the desert heat..

gpgtp 06-19-2011 05:47 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by sri3850341 (Post 862848)
Roofing material also melts/drips, here in the desert heat..

Yes! Like the old edead did. Makes a huge mess.

Second Skin Rep Jon 06-19-2011 08:13 AM

Re: Why roofing products don't work...
 
Thanks for the feedback guys.
I felt as though I needed to speak out since there has been so many people using roofing products and raving about how well it works only to later rip it out.
Quote:

Originally Posted by sri3850341 (Post 862848)
Roofing material also melts/drips, here in the desert heat..

Quote:

Originally Posted by gpgtp (Post 862855)
Yes! Like the old edead did. Makes a huge mess.

Yeah here in Idaho it does the same thing. But I avoided stating that for the fact that in the northeast and northwest where their highs are only in the mid to upper 80s and low 90s, they rarely have this issue. This is why most 'success' stores of P&S are coming from those areas.

There are a few other issues with using some of these roofing products such as their fairly high VOC content (some not all) and the deterioration of these products as they age.

I guess the only good thing about using a roofing product is you do get a choice of color. :mrgreen:
http://www.parlimentsteel.com/assets/images/roof-7.jpg

gpgtp 06-19-2011 08:17 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Second Skin Rep Jon (Post 862884)

I guess the only good thing about using a roofing product is you do get a choice of color. :mrgreen:
http://www.parlimentsteel.com/assets/images/roof-7.jpg

no burnt sienna no care :lol:

Second Skin Rep Jon 06-19-2011 10:10 AM

Re: Why roofing products don't work...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by gpgtp (Post 862886)
no burnt sienna no care :lol:

:lol:
Just go with white and color it. :)

profundus-sanus 06-19-2011 10:21 AM

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good read man!

Second Skin Rep Jon 06-20-2011 07:22 AM

Re: Why roofing products don't work...
 
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Originally Posted by profundus-sanus (Post 862897)
good read man!

Thanks.

I'm just really glad people are taking the time to read it. I know how hard it is to read something technical without the aid of pictures. :lol:

arcwcb 06-20-2011 07:52 AM

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Lots of good info here! Rep'd

sventz 06-27-2011 03:39 AM

Re: Why roofing products don't work...
 
at last someone wrote a great article that covers all about the differences between roof products and car audio sound deadening products!

gpgtp 06-27-2011 05:22 AM

Re: Why roofing products don't work...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Second Skin Rep Jon (Post 862895)
:lol:
Just go with white and color it. :)

Im not down with mixing white with colors. (joke guys, chill)


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