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I am looking to put a single 15 in a vented enclosure. I have my eye on the tc-5200 or the hd315. Both look nice and the 5200 is on sale but is still a bit more than the hd3 which is ok but it is out of stock at the moment. I am looking for a loud daily driver. I plan on pushing 1600+ watts to either one I get. Which would you go for and why?
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get the hd3- 1600 isnt enough for the 5200 to get the full performance out of it..... actually i would recommend the tc3000 overall- they would fit your Power range perfectly....
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I thought the tc-3000 was more sq driver than spl? Is that wrong? I mean I could go with 2 12's vs a single 15.
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all the tc subs are sql drivers... the 3000 will fit your Power range far better.a properly powered 3000 will outdo an improperly powered 5200...
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ok im confused. per Kyle from tcsounds the 5200 is a spl driver. I know it says 2000wrms and 6000wmax. so it needs more than 2000wrms to sound good at all? Wouldn't that cause a problem seeing it is 2000wrms continous? how does the hd3 hold up without the cooling options I hear about?
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the 5200 is not a straight spl driver. (i.e. mt, btl, etc) it is simply MORE spl oriented than the lms, etc... will still sound extremly nice. As far as Power rating- tc is extremly conservative with that. will handle more than 2000 all day and not complain a bit... here are a couple of links might help you out-
http://www.tcsounds.com/forums/index...ic=696&hl=5200
http://www.tcsounds.com/forums/index...topic=271&st=0

and um... hd3 doesnt have cooling "options" thats fi with the btl...HD3 is a nice sub, and well within your power range. only disadvantage is the larger box that would be required. (tc's are made for smaller boxes, although the 5200 is a relativly "overmotored" sub, so boxes are tricky for this sub as well)

hope that helps ya some...
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I think he's referring to the HD3/9500 situation where they say it's the exact same sub but the 9500 has cooling technology where the hd3 doesn't.

I think it was icewall that had the hd3 and he was running 3000wrms to it daily. He had no problems and said it handled it like a champ ie. it doesnt need cooling.
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I think he's referring to the HD3/9500 situation where they say it's the exact same sub but the 9500 has cooling technology where the hd3 doesn't.

I think it was icewall that had the hd3 and he was running 3000wrms to it daily. He had no problems and said it handled it like a champ ie. it doesnt need cooling.
just because the cooling is different, doesnt mean it isnt there
the hd3 has their OWN cooling
the HD3 and 9500 ARE NOT the same subs
they use the same basked and similar soft parts....thats it


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ice was running 4k to it daily off of an autotek mm4k
the only reason he says 3k is because he takes imp rise into concideration where as every one else just says 4k

every ones set up is different, so it is easier to say that they will take 4k....

one of audioques guys had 2 memphis 4ks strapped to each of their hd3s for over 30 sec. and never got smelly if that tells you any thing
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^ Sorry about that, I meant they perform pretty much exact. I should have been more specific lol That 4 page debate on that comparison had my head a little f'd for a second
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^ Sorry about that, I meant they perform pretty much exact. I should have been more specific lol That 4 page debate on that comparison had my head a little f'd for a second
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didnt mean to jump down your throat

i just wanted every one to know that they arent the same....that post wasnt necessarily pointed at you


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dude no worries I wouldn't call that jumping down my throat. Start talking about fkin my mom and that's a different story lol

xb has been a little ****ed today yeah. I'm on there right now but it crapped out on me for about 15 min
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just because the cooling is different, doesnt mean it isnt there
the hd3 has their OWN cooling
the HD3 and 9500 ARE NOT the same subs
they use the same basked and similar soft parts....thats it
they even have different motors than the 9500. but both are still nice subs no doubt
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they even have different motors than the 9500. but both are still nice subs no doubt
and i just realized
they dont use the same basket either
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and i just realized
they dont use the same basket either
SIMILAR is the key word on this subject
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So you guys think 2 3k 12's from tcsounds will sound better than the hd315 or 5200 with my power rating. Also this is a alphasonik pma800 series amp. I was told they are junk ?? is that right? I mean this amp is new and not used so I can return it if need be. In that case I can choose any amp. Would you still go with the 3k's?
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alphasonik is sketchy. Some of their stuff is crap but there's one guy on here that swears by them (can't remember who). I'd try to find something else to power those subs, if you're getting quality subs why not get a quality amp??
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So you guys think 2 3k 12's from tcsounds will sound better than the hd315 or 5200 with my power rating. Also this is a alphasonik pma800 series amp. I was told they are junk ?? is that right? I mean this amp is new and not used so I can return it if need be. In that case I can choose any amp. Would you still go with the 3k's?
well, alphasonic amps really arent great

but, out of the 3 sub choices, i would go with the HD3 for loudness
im not sure if you have enough power for the other 2 options
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I think i am going to return the alphasonik knowing they aren't good amps. Still not forsure which amp or sub combo.
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if you have only 1600 total- 2 3000's arent your best choice either. thats enough power for 1 of them. Cap'n- not trying to start an argument here- but 2 12" 3000's would have almost 50 sq in. of cone advantage, and the 3000's are no slouch in the spl department either. the hd3 is a VERY nice VERY attractivly priced sub, but in this particular department, i wouldnt put my money on the hd3... like you said though, he doesnt have enough power for the 5200 or the 3000's...
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if you have only 1600 total- 2 3000's arent your best choice either. thats enough power for 1 of them. Cap'n- not trying to start an argument here- but 2 12" 3000's would have almost 50 sq in. of cone advantage, and the 3000's are no slouch in the spl department either. the hd3 is a VERY nice VERY attractivly priced sub, but in this particular department, i wouldnt put my money on the hd3... like you said though, he doesnt have enough power for the 5200 or the 3000's...
with more power the 3ks and the 5200 would dominate the HD3.....but he dont have the power so ill put my money on the HD3
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with more power the 3ks and the 5200 would dominate the HD3.....but he dont have the power so ill put my money on the HD3
agreed, if he only has that much power...
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I think I will return the amp and get another and power a 5200. What amp would you recommend?
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I think I will return the amp and get another and power a 5200. What amp would you recommend?
how much power do you want?
whats your electrical system concist of?
and what ohm load would you like for it to put out rated power...at (i hope you understood that)?
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power around 2000-2500 thinking 1ohm output on amp.
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several good brands out their for that. rockford t20001, orion 2500d (prolly used) 2 sundown amps, hifonics, several others..
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