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Alright what would yall say would be louder? More Cone area or more drivers? Lets say 6 12s vs 4 15s.
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Alright what would yall say would be louder? More Cone area or more drivers? Lets say 6 12s vs 4 15s.
the 4-15's has more cone area, but the 6-12's has more motor. kinda balances itself out. but the noobs will just say that the 6 will be louder just because its more subs.
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the 4-15's has more cone area, but the 6-12's has more motor. kinda balances itself out. but the noobs will just say that the 6 will be louder just because its more subs.
so it basically evens itself out then. Any more opinions?
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i agree pretty darn close
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I would love to see a vs between the two.......
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yea i would also say it would be close the 12'' my hit harder since there are more subs at least i would think. but the 15'' may get lower notes that the 12'' cant get. guesss its just a personal preference
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the 4-15's has more cone area, but the 6-12's has more motor. kinda balances itself out. but the noobs will just say that the 6 will be louder just because its more subs.


can u explain to me how 4 15's have more cone are than 6 12's?

4x15= 60
6x12=72
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can u explain to me how 4 15's have more cone are than 6 12's?

4x15= 60
6x12=72
thats diameter not cone area

area = pi*r^2

4-15's = 706.5"^2
6-12's = 678.24"^2
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it all comes down to the box of each setup, the amount of Power your using in each setup, amount of power to each driver, type of vehicle, etc.
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I would have to agree.....It all depends on the set up. I have heard guys who sound louder than me....but then on a mic the definately are not. And I know a couple that have the one and two sub setups around here that are alot louder than mine. Got to factor everything into it....
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the noobs will just say that the 6 will be louder just because its more subs.
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i think the 12's would be louder because there are more of them

but honestly the cone disadvantage isn't that huge. and, depending on the sub, you could feed the 12's quite a bit more power. Probably plenty to overcome the cone area disadvantage and then some.
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i think the 12's would be louder because there are more of them

but honestly the cone disadvantage isn't that huge. and, depending on the sub, you could feed the 12's quite a bit more power. Probably plenty to overcome the cone area disadvantage and then some.


I'll have to agree with him on that. The amount of cone difference is not too much to the point where you pick setups based on cone area.
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this seems kinda obvious to me, the cone difference is fairly small, and you would be feeding 6 12's more Power than 4 15's, i think the 12's would be a fair amount louder, but they would end up costing quite a bit more, it all comes down to what you want i suppose.
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can u explain to me how 4 15's have more cone are than 6 12's?

In theory you gain 3 DB from a subwoofer that is just added cone area and sharing Power (We will use this in theory, I know it's amped), while you gain 6 DB from a subwoofer when it is fully amped.

Lets figure out the cone area first
4 15" subs = 60" cone area
6 12" subs = 72" cone area

This question makes no sense, the 6 subs have more cone area, and they have more drivers... What kinda question is this?
Go with the 6 subs richman.
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can u explain to me how 4 15's have more cone are than 6 12's?

In theory you gain 3 DB from a subwoofer that is just added cone area and sharing power (We will use this in theory, I know it's amped), while you gain 6 DB from a subwoofer when it is fully amped.

Lets figure out the cone area first
4 15" subs = 60" cone area
6 12" subs = 72" cone area
you dumb ass
thats not area, thats diameter
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can u explain to me how 4 15's have more cone are than 6 12's?

In theory you gain 3 DB from a subwoofer that is just added cone area and sharing power (We will use this in theory, I know it's amped), while you gain 6 DB from a subwoofer when it is fully amped.

Lets figure out the cone area first
4 15" subs = 60" cone area
6 12" subs = 72" cone area

This question makes no sense, the 6 subs have more cone area, and they have more drivers... What kinda question is this?
Go with the 6 subs richman.

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!! there is more to cone area than just measuring across the speaker.

you people just dont understand. this comparison is more even than you all seem to realize. the 6 12's have more motor strength, wich helps make up for the displacement disadvantage. 4-15's have more cone area, wich helps make up for the mechanical disadvantage. not saying that they will be completely even in output, but they will be fairly similar.
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thats diameter not cone area

area = pi*r^2

4-15's = 706.5"^2
6-12's = 678.24"^2
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Isn't there a chart on another website where it shows cone area for 12's 15's and 18's?
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Isn't there a chart on another website where it shows cone area for 12's 15's and 18's?
yep, i dont remember the link though. ill search for it and post it if i find it.
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yep, i dont remember the link though. ill search for it and post it if i find it.
cool, b/c i know it was posted on here before, but i forgot where.
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you people just dont understand. this comparison is more even than you all seem to realize. the 6 12's have more motor strength, wich helps make up for the displacement disadvantage. 4-15's have more cone area, wich helps make up for the mechanical disadvantage. not saying that they will be completely even in output, but they will be fairly similar.

the cone area difference is about that of a 6.5" woofer with a phat surround.

but there is 1.5 times the amount of motor strength and power handling capability(assuming they use the same motors)
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