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ok people i have no idea of whats wrong with my cars cooling system. today my temp gauge started swing back and forth when i turned my heater was on and my fan wasn't coming on to cool things off. the gauge wasn't fluctuating in large amounts or very fast but now its doing it with the heater off slower i might add than when its on but still doing it none the less i took it to a friend
that works at the county garage and he said my head might be bad or about to go bad very soon now. I've known the past two owners of my Car as the were a friend and his mom neither of them drove the car hard so iv come to the conclusion although i don't want to since i replaced the thermostat today already and it still does it that either the head really is screwed or my temp sensor or gauge is bad any theory's or suggestions my car is a 1990 Plymouth sundance 2.2 4cyl thanks.
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my 97 plymouth breeze does the same thing and I still have not been able to find the problem
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I can't overemphasize to top off fluid levels and check daily for about a week.

As you are doing that, locate the coolant temp sensor, and if I recl, on the 4 cylinder you also have a2nd temp sender/ But check the wires on these sensors thoroughly - check impedance and continuity from end to end, and with the Wire disconnected from the sensor AND the ecu, apply use a gator clip. Checkvoltage at gator clip. ompare it to the voltage at the ecu pin plug. (if you do this first, the bat Power will Identify the correct pin for you!)

Manually wiggle slowly the wires, every inch of it you can...and see if voltage/continuity are consistent.

Diagnosis comes from knowing what's really goin on, and knowing that your givens are what they are....

You can also test the temp senders on a stovetop in a pan of wter and a multimeter.
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BTW I didn't know there was such a thing as bad head...
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well if u get bit lol j/k but any thanks. i really appricate the help. btw where would the second sensor be.
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x2 on the temp sensor, it would cause these problems. Pretty much just a temp sensing relay that tells the valve to release water. Same problem happend on my 98 Dodge ram, temp sensor replaced and all was good. It started slow and almost un-noticeable, the heater would put out cold air, then the temp meter would drop and hot air would come out again. You should buy a Chilton manual for your vehicel, it would tell you where and how to replace the Temp Sensor. The sensor is a petty cheap part at most local automotive parts stores, I think mine cost $7.00.
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ok that sounds way better than $250 for a new head so ill be making a run to oreillys tommorow
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Overheating wouldn't be caused by a failure in the head. The only thing I can think of that could even remotely cause issues would be if one of the coolant passages in the head was clogged.

The problem generally lies with the T-stat, Temp sensor, fan circuit, or water pump generally. If the new sensor doesn't fix it, check the fan circuit for shorts and make sure that the fan itself works (just apply voltage to the terminals). If the fan is in working order, check the water pump next. Just take off your serpentine belt, locate the pump, and spin it. It should spin easily and freely. If it binds or you can hear grinding from it, or there is steam coming from the "weep hole" while the engine is running, it's bad.
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Btw, I was thinking something completely different when I read the title.
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well it does it worst at idle and when i put it in neutral and rev it over 2 k it stops and goes back down im also going to try flushing the radiator will that help my friend put stop leak in it about 2 years ago i i just keep thinking that that might have something to do with it
oh and when i unplug the fan from the temp sensor the fan automatically comes on
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Sorry got to thinking, intermittent fan can cause that. Use two sade connectorsanda piece of wire to jump it across the largest two connections. drive the car and seeif same prob exists.

Either pop the relay apart and give it a look or grab a new relay. Most of the time the a/c fan relay and the coolant relay are interchangeable.

If the FAN (hypothetical) doesnt power on when temp ishigh with swapped relay, the Temp sender is bad. It sends low volt signal to he input of your relay.

But x2 on the fluid level - low fluid can cause cycling probs, won't build to proper psi for water jacket cooling, etc, etc, etc, etc,.....
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ok so i flushed and jeezus i wish some of you could have seen the crap that came out of it
the stop leak i think was deff the problem because it hasn't done it since also i replaced both of the temp sending units and the fan relay just as precautionary maintenance the water pump was replaced about a month before i bought i found out also the woman i bought the car from gave me a receipt also replaced the tstat and gasket when i flushed it did an oil change and tranny flush/fluid and filter change and greased all the under car bushings and joints just an update for anyone who cares.
of course this all happend last summer
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